Stargate SG-1, Atlantis and Universe Armorer, Rob Fournier, returns to Dial the Gate to detail every projectile weapon covered in the franchise. We cover well over one hundred pieces from a production and historical perspective. Put on your learning cap, because we’re diving in!

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Timecodes
0:00 – Opening Credits
0:26 – Guest Introduction
1:43 – Welcome, Rob!
3:44 – Rob’s Cameo in “The Gamekeeper”
6:19 – P90
8:15 – Taurus PT92AF
9:28 – Beretta M92FS
9:46 – HK MP5
11:31 – “The Nox”
12:49 – Daewoo USAS-12
14:07 – XM177E1 Carbine
15:01 – M203 (with Grenade Launcher)
16:07 – M1 Garand
17:11 – “Fire and Water”
17:52 – M16A1
18:43 – Browning M2 .50 BMG
19:53 – Daewoo K3
21:51 – M16A1 (with 40mm Grenade Launcher)
23:37 – FIM-92A Stinger
25:49 – M18 Smoke Grenade
26:14 – M16 Fragmentation Grenade
26:56 – Colt 1911
27:41 – S&W Model 10
28:34 – Walther P99
29:36 – IMI Uzi
30:09 – Colt Model 715 (M16A3)
31:26 – XM177E1 Carbine
32:01 – SVD Dragunov
32:39 – M18A1 Claymore
33:14 – Franchi SPAS-12
33:51 – Norinco Type 84S
34:43 – FN MAG 58
35:41 – M50E3
36:25 – FN P90
37:08 – Heckler and Koch MP5K
37:27 – Micro Uzi
38:08 – Daewoo USAS-12 with Character Images
39:03 – Filming the Submarine in “Small Victories”
39:56 – Glock 17
40:30 – Makarov PM
40:50 – Smith & Wesson 5906
41:11 – SIG-Sauer P226R
41:33 – FN P90 with Character Images
42:41 – Heckler & Koch SL8-4
43:06 – AKSU
43:53 – CM79LF (M203)
44:29 – M67 Fragmentation Grenade
44:59 – Cobray M11/9
45:27 – FN P90 with More Character Images
46:11 – Remington 700
46:43 – Fees for Weapons Rentals
47:48 – 357 Magnum Revolver
48:19 – SVD Dragunov Sniper
48:41 – PKM
48:56 – DShKM
49:35 – FIM-43 Redeye
50:25 – M136 AT4 Rocket Launcher
51:06 – Beretta 92FS
51:43 – Smith & Wesson 3913
51:58 – Ithaca 37
52:18 – Beretta 92FS (Carter Special)
53:43 – Zastava M70B1
54:21 – Heckler & Koch G3SG/1
55:37 – Barrett M82A1
55:58 – Daewoo K3 in “Evolution, Part 1”
56:56 – M60
57:25 – M203 Grenade Launcher
58:13 – M224 Mortar
58:50 – DefTech Launcher
59:43 – Beretta Cougar 8045
1:00:11 – Smith & Wesson Model M&P
1:00:26 – SIG-Sauer P226
1:00:41 – Taurus PtT99AF
1:01:14 – P90 with More Character Images
1:01:32 – Soviet PPSh-41
1:02:04 – SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper
1:02:36 – Remington 870
1:02:59 – Hudson AKS-47
1:03:18 – Acquiring New Weaponry
1:04:11 – M1 Garand
1:05:15 – Remington 700 in “Affinity”
1:05:36 – M60
1:06:06 – Taurus 85
1:07:09 – Calico M955A
1:07:26 – FN P90 with Teal’c Dual-Wielding
1:07:57 – The Difference Between Clips and Magazines
1:09:47 – H&K MP7
1:12:13 – Ingram MAC 10
1:12:40 – Steyr SPP
1:13:05 – Soviet PPSh-41
1:13:28 – SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper in “Stronghold”
1:13:59 – Heckler & Koch G36K
1:14:30 – GE M61 Vulcan Cannon
1:15:39 – COP 357 Derringer
1:16:39 – Jericho 941 R
1:17:12 – Rossi M971
1:17:36 – Taurus 85 with Character Image
1:17:59 – Vektor CP1
1:18:42 – Enfield No 2 Mk I
1:19:19 – Beretta PM12S
1:20:07 – FN P90 with Character Images
1:20:57 – AP-9
1:21:49 – M1 Garand in “Icon”
1:22:01 – M1 Thompson
1:22:49 – Sa Vz 61 Scorpion
1:24:01 – New Haven Model 600AT
1:24:41 – Remington 7600
1:25:10 – M240B
1:25:31 – Desert Eagle
1:26:10 – G36 with Character Images
1:26:31 – Type 97
1:27:33 – Saw with Images
1:27:56 – Benelli M1 Super 90
1:28:11 – Mossberg 500
1:29:46 – Winchester 1887
1:30:26 – Heckler & Koch UMP
1:31:01 – G36 with Character Images
1:31:41 – M4s in Behind the Scenes Footage
1:32:37 – AKS-74U
1:33:11 – Walther P38
1:33:33 – Beretta 92FS
1:34:12 – Glock 17
1:34:57 – Heckler & Koch HK94A2 and MP5A2
1:35:56 – Heckler & Koch HK94A3
1:36:10 – HK SR9
1:36:47 – M16A1 and M16A2
1:37:05 – Mossberg 500 Bullpup
1:37:49 – C4 Plastic Explosive
1:39:46 – SEMTEX-H Plastic Explosive
1:40:09 – DM12 (German Plastic Explosive)
1:40:36 – Discovering Plastic Explosives
1:41:09 – Thank You, Rob!
1:42:06 – Post-Discussion Housekeeping
1:43:13 – End Credits

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David Read:
Hi everyone. Welcome to Dial the Gate. The Stargate Oral History Project. My name is David Read. Rob Fournier, the owner of P-51 Productions and the armorer for Stargate SG-1, Atlantis and Universe, is joining us for over 90 minutes of covering the weapons, the Earth weapons, of the Stargate television franchise. I put Earth Weapons in the YouTube title because I did not wanna put Earth firearms because I could get a little red flag. But we are gonna be covering the firearms and the explosives of SG-1, Atlantis and Universe, in this thorough episode. And I was debating whether or not to put it in two parts but he’s engaging, he keeps it interesting, and if you are interested in weapons… I can understand if you’re not but if you are interested in weapons, you’re gonna find this very insightful because not only does Rob provide insight into their use in the show but he also provides historical perspective on the weapons. So, if you’re a fan of history, you’re gonna find this couple of hours, little less, very engaging. And I really invite you to jump in and watch with us. I am privileged to have back Rob Fournier of P-51 Productions. He was the armorer on all 17 seasons of Stargate. Rob, thank you for joining me once again. It’s always a pleasure to have you, sir.

Rob Fournier:
David, it is a pleasure and honor to be back here on Dial the Gate and looking forward to it.

David Read:
There are shows out there that are… Elements like this, when you have real world weaponry, are so key to getting right because you could just throw anything up there on the screen, but you know that especially with this audience. It’s a military audience, very largely, and they’re gonna be looking for those little details. And I was just driving down the road a few days ago and I was, like, “You know what? I’ve had Rob on. I really love the guy. I’d love to get him back, but I’d like to go through the firearms that are in the franchise.” And I’m thinking… “And the ancillary weapons like C4 and grenades and things like that.” And I’m thinking, “50, 60 at most.” 150 pieces later of screenshots, it’s, like, “Oh my God.” I had no idea, Robert. I had no idea. It was that intensive.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, we used quite a bit throughout the years. And some of them were repetitive but then we had new characters come in and we needed new looks and sometimes we’d fabricate new looks for those new characters and new aliens and new races around different planets.

David Read:
Exactly. And we’re not even talking about alien weapons that were from the ground up designed by the studio in-house, using their fabrication machines. We’re talking about earth-based weapons and weapons that were utilized from Earth to create something else. So, let’s go ahead and get started because we’ve got a long road to go. And I’m curious as to out velocity through this. So, this was the first image you sent me. This is an image from Season Two’s The Gamekeeper.

Rob Fournier:
That’s right. And it’s funny because I’m in the middle there. I have a full Uzi, and the two gentlemen on my left and right… The one on the right, as you’re looking at the photograph, with the hat on, that’s Bill Ferguson. He’s actually a stunt coordinator. And then the person on the left, I can’t remember his name entirely, but I know he’s a stunt performer. And we’re basically all firing the… The two of us are firing Uzis, and the one gentleman with the hat, Bill, is firing, I think it was a Krinkov AKS, which is a short AK. I was fortunate to get this. This was kind of given to me by my good friend, Dan Shea, and he said, “Look, we need these German terrorists that take over this old mansion type facility and get into a firefight with the SG-1 team.” And I said, “Yeah, I’d love to do it.” So, it was funny because my good friend Lem Le Mercier, who is retired, was the armorer on this, and I helped him out. But it was funny because I had to hit my mark and that, and I’m, like, “OK. Go hot on the firearms.” And then the other two stunt performers would go hot and then I would clear the firearms for them. It’s just, like, I couldn’t turn it off. And it actually helped my other fellow armorer to… He was handling the hero weapons at the time, our SG-1 team, and I basically handled the terrorist weapons. So, they got two for one on that day.

David Read:
Look at the muzzle. First of all, the guy to our left looks like David Hewlett from this distance. And look at the muzzle blast on that. The first thing I thought was, you were mentioning that some of these… Sometimes, CGI enhances the muzzle blast. And if they do the job right, we never even notice it. But in this case, look at the shadow he’s casting on that window panel there.

Rob Fournier:
I do remember this stunt performer’s name now. It’s John Samson.

David Read:
There you go.

Rob Fournier:
That is a full load out of a 9mm. So, you can see that I’m about to fire, too. And I had to have my collar up because they didn’t wanna… I’ve been seen as other characters, and they wanted to hide my face as much as possible. So, I had the old collar up like I’m some mobster from the 30s or 40s.

David Read:
Dick Tracy, man. Dick Tracy.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, something like that.

David Read:
In German, “Shnell!”

Rob Fournier:
That’s definitely a full load that’s coming out of that.

David Read:
What [do] we got here? Is this the right direction or am I going the wrong way?

Rob Fournier:
Nope. I think you’re going right. That’s the P90. And I really wanted to show the difference of the muzzle flash of that. So, it looks like there’s two P90s firing there. Those are full loads so you’re looking at good 18-inch muzzle flash that comes out on full loads. And if you look at the top photo with Amanda Tapping, proper etiquette, she [keeps] finger off the trigger and bending the shoulder and stuff like that. Somebody trained them well. And then you got Chris Judge who I think had another P90 and he’s facing, like, 45-degree angle. But it’s still a powerful weapon but it’s such a joy to work with because on full loads, the reliability is excellent on those.

David Read:
That muzzle flash… Go ahead.

Rob Fournier:
Sorry. You don’t have to enhance any muzzle flash on that.

David Read:
If you put your… It’s firing a blank. If you put your hand inside that 18-inch range, would it burn you?

Rob Fournier:
Absolutely. That’s a full load blank. The way blanks operate is, wherever the bullet would be on a live round firing on a live range, that’s no longer there. It’s a crimp. So, it’s basically extended metal that basically seals itself. So now you can use actually more powder inside. So, in reality, the muzzle flash on a live P90 when firing living ammunition on a range or with special forces, it’s nowhere near that big. It’s probably half that length. But for cinematic reasons we like big muzzle flash.

David Read:
In that case, you’re putting someone down, not worried about being flashy. But in this case, it’s fiction.

Rob Fournier:
That’s right.

David Read:
So, you can play some games with that.

Rob Fournier:
Absolutely. This was the Beretta M9, but this is an actual Taurus PT92AF. So, Taurus is a Brazilian weapons manufacturer, and they basically copied the Beretta 92FS, which was the U.S. Army and U.S. Military’s main sidearm called the M9. And it was replaced by Sig Sauer just recently with a different weapon. But this is something that we had in the earlier days because we had really good metal replicas, and we had very good plastic replicas. So, we actually went with the Taurus, and if they wanted a tight shot of the firearm, then we’d go to the actual Beretta because the finish was nicer on it. But for big wide shots or stunts, you’d have replicas and rubbers for those.

David Read:
Wow. And this is the item as well?

Rob Fournier:
That is, yes. That’s Amanda holding it. That’s an early picture because I did correct her bottom hand. That wouldn’t be…

David Read:
This is [The] First Commandment with the cave drawings.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah. And that’s the actual Beretta there. So, you can see they’re very, very similar there. But the finish… The quality is better with Beretta. USA and… It’s an actual firearm that was first made in Italy and then it’s licensed to be built in the United States also now.

David Read:
Got it.

Rob Fournier:
That’s the early version HK MP5. So, this was our hero firearms. HK is Heckler & Koch. It’s a company out of Germany. And you can see that it has S, E and F. So, S is for Safe, E is for Ein, which means single or one in German, and then Feuer[stoß] for full auto. So, basically you would click… One click down went to semi-automatic. Every time you pulled the trigger is one shot. And then fully automatic, if you held the trigger down, it would empty the entire magazines. We had a flashlight on the end and then basically a little touch pad because sometimes you don’t wanna use the light but you still wanna hold the firearm. So, it was basically a little touch pad on the opposite side of the firearm. We had very good real ones, and replica and rubbers that were all made… The rubbers were made in-house, through the excellent molding [by] the prop department that they had there. And we had a lot of these made.

David Read:
I was first thinking, with three settings, I would be concerned in flipping back and forth between them because I would think it would be really easy to miss the middle one. But we’re talking nearly a 90-degree arc with that switch there. So, you got a lot of room between the switches. You’ll know exactly which one you’re on if you’re not looking at it.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, absolutely. You would definitely feel the difference. It’s basically almost straight down for the full auto so you would know if you’re on semi-automatic or not. You don’t wanna be stuck on safe when you have to engage.

David Read:
Is there two magazines in that?

Rob Fournier:
Yeah. So that was my idea. They were always saying, “Well, we wanna carry spare mags but we don’t really have place to put them.” This was in the early days. And I said, “Well, we have a dual mag holder.” “What’s that?” And I introduced it. And then all of a sudden SG-1 adopted it. That’s an older type scope on top of that. That’s probably, from the look of it, it’s hard to tell, but it’s probably a replica. I always use the replicas with our cast because they’re much lighter until they came up to the point of firing the weapon. Because there is quite a difference in weight. A real firearm, like an MP5, is probably the equivalent of four replicas together. That’s how much of a difference in weight.

David Read:
Now, when it’s discharging the ammunition, is it pulling from both or is it doing one or the other or is one sitting there just attached?

Rob Fournier:
The way the magazine… It’s connected in the middle there, David. And the way it works is, once you empty one, you just basically pull the magazine out and then just put it to the other side. So, basically instead of having 30 rounds, you have access to 60 now.

David Read:
So, you’re holding it. So, you don’t have to reach into your pocket and grab one. It’s there on the weapon.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, correct. This is the… We used to call this stupid gun. It was stupid in a good way because this is the Daewoo USAS-12. So, this is a select fire shotgun. So, it can do semi-auto and fully automatic. 19-round drum. It’s not 20. It’s a 19-round. You could have 20 in theory because you would put one in the chamber and then put the magazine on. It is incredibly loud to fire and had a huge muzzle flash. And it can be uncomfortable for those around you. It’s always great to be behind the firearm. That’s the best place to be. But the concussive effect is so great that cameras always had to be protected for our operators and focus pullers or dolly grips. And sometimes they would just do lock offs with the camera just because they didn’t wanna have to deal with setting up Lexan and stuff. So, we had options there. You never had to really enhance this firearm when firing blanks because it gave a massive fireball. If you had to, you would trail it off one of the existing muzzle flashes.

David Read:
The first I saw this, I thought it was an AR-15. I own an AR-15, and it looks very similar.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah. This is basically what a lot of people used to call a CAR-15. It first came out in the early days of the Vietnam War, like, into 67-68’, was adopted first by SEAL teams and special forces, US Army. And then it became so well known that it just spread actors all the different regular army units. You can see this one is an early version because it doesn’t have what they call a forward assist near the brass ejecting area. A forward assist would help engage the inner workings of the gun in case it misfired. Not a great thing to do but it’s still around today. The M4 has been around a long time. This is one with a grenade launcher on.

David Read:
I was gonna say, yeah.

Rob Fournier:
That’s called an M203, and we just connected that through a rail underneath and basically it gave you an incredible amount of firepower because that’s a 40mm grenade you could launch up to 300 meters.

David Read:
Where’s the button for the grenade?

Rob Fournier:
It’s a separate trigger. You can’t see it. It’s just behind his left hand as he’s holding the foregrip of it. But it’s just a separate trigger just in front of the magazine. He would basically push a button near his left thumb. You could see in front, there’s a button. That would open up the mechanism. You put the 40mm grenade in, pull it back. Once you pull it back, it cocks the actual weapon, and then you had a separate trigger underneath.

David Read:
So, single grenades every time.

Rob Fournier:
Single grenade, yeah. And then once you shot it, you had to change it, get rid of casing inside and basically throw it away, and then basically load another one if you had it.

David Read:
Got it.

Rob Fournier:
The old M1 Garand. [It’s] been around for a long, long time.

David Read:
The army.

Rob Fournier:
Since the 30s. Yes. And it’s still used for ceremonial purposes. This was basically the benchmark of the US military in World War II. Incredibly heavy gun but extremely reliable. It was a 30 odd six caliber, and it had an integral eight-round clip that went into a magazine. So, it’s a separate clip. And when you would empty out the eighth shot it would just pop out. And you probably seen this on, like, Band of Brothers, [Saving] Private Ryan. You would see them pop out while the Germans would wait to listen for that and then they’d come over the top and engage with the Americans. But the Americans were… They countered this with Thompson submachine guns and M1 carbines and stuff. So, they always had cover.

David Read:
While we’re reloading these, meet our friends.

Rob Fournier:
Exactly.

David Read:
Ah, very good. For Daniel’s funeral.

Rob Fournier:
I remember that day because there was… One of the background [actors] just couldn’t quite get it right so I had to swap him out with someone else. And then finally we got it somewhat. Because we didn’t get a whole lot of rehearsal time or training time.

David Read:
I thought these were real guys.

Rob Fournier:
No. Not all of them. The first… The ones holding the flags are real. The ones on the end are not.

David Read:
I did not know that. I thought the full team was on loan from the Air Force for this.

Rob Fournier:
No, no. Good old M16A1. Like I said, it’s came out just after the start of the Vietnam War. This was the basic assault rifle for the entire US military at the time. Since then, it changed 100 times. Still used today but it’s changed drastically. The inner workings are all still the same but they’re much lighter, more accurate, and now everybody uses optics and stuff like that. So, this is obviously in front of Cheyenne Mountain there.

David Read:
These are the real dudes here.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, you can see one has a finger on the trigger, and one doesn’t. I was not there for that.

David Read:
Right? “Get that finger off the trigger.” “You shooting an animal over at the zoo around the corner there? Alright.” That’s great. Thank you for all this history. This is fascinating. I really appreciate it.

Rob Fournier:
Not a problem.

David Read:
Ah, the .50 cals.

Rob Fournier:
Good old M2 Browning. Still used today, believe it or not. It’s called M3 and it’s been changed many times. Fantastic heavy machine gun.

David Read:
I sold the fake ones through Prop Works that were at the end of the ramps.

Rob Fournier:
No, those… It’s funny because you’re showing the gate room there and you notice they had special helmets that were used and stuff like that because basically they wanted to differentiate the actual gunners from everyone else and stuff like that. But we never actually fired it on camera inside the gate room. We test fired it and the producers went, “Oh, that’s too much.” Basically, rattling the entire gate itself.

David Read:
Well, the whole idea was that at the start of the shows, the gate room was assaulted, majorly, and all of the men and lady… Well, the gal is extracted to the other world, but all of the guys die, and they were not gonna have that happen again.

Rob Fournier:
That’s correct.

David Read:
That’s it.

Rob Fournier:
The Daewoo K3. So, this is what we have in our stock at our shop. It basically is the exact same as the FN Minimi, which is… American designate is the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon or SAW, better known as. We ended up getting a great deal. We tried to get the Minimis, and they weren’t allowing them to civilian companies. They’re really, really tough. So, we ended up getting a hold of these. They’re made in South Korea and still made today. And then we did shorter versions. You can see the barrel’s shorter on that. We changed the stock on it. And I remember this day, too, because…

David Read:
Jay Acovone.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, Jay. He’s such a great guy. He made me laugh a lot. Lots of good jokes with him in the morning. But they would always run up against… For cover. And then they hit the rocks and the rocks would move. I’m, like, “OK. Don’t touch the rocks because…”

David Read:
Breaks the illusion.

Rob Fournier:
No way that you could move a rock that’s 20 tons sitting there, right?

David Read:
Oh, that’s funny.

Rob Fournier:
But it was… And we had to be careful in the… Especially the SAW because the massive fireball comes out of it and a lot of these rocks were made of Styrofoam.

David Read:
Oh, they’ll pull apart with the concussion.

Rob Fournier:
They’ll blow apart and they’ll melt. I remember seeing one of our stunt performers. He did, like, four magazines in a scene, and he just laid the weapon down and it melted all over the barrel.

David Read:
Did they have guys on set to be able to touch those things up or…? Because you can’t turn the rock for the wider shots’ consistency.

Rob Fournier:
We did have an art department, like, we had an on-set painter. So, we’d turn the rock 30 degrees to cut big, melted portion or stuff like that.

David Read:
“Cut. Rock makeup.”

Rob Fournier:
There was a learning experiences, especially in the early days.

David Read:
Yeah, it’s your pilot.

Rob Fournier:
This is the same M16 with an M203. So, that’s your 40mm grenade launcher. You can see where the trigger is. There’s an actual cocking handle on this one.

David Read:
Yeah, I see it.

Rob Fournier:
You have to pull that back. That’s an early version M203. Since then, it’s changed quite a bit. But that’s like something you would have seen in the first Predator, with Arnold Schwarzenegger holding that.

David Read:
What activates the grenade in there? When you pull that, is it a timed release?

Rob Fournier:
It’s not a timed release. So, what happens is, when you fire it, it won’t… If you were to shoot at something five meters away, it won’t explode. But it is a set fuse. So, if it doesn’t explode, eventually it will. It’s a self-detonating fuse. So, what happens is, when it launches out of the actual weapon, it clears, I think it’s within 50 meters, and then engages the actual fuse, and then at that point, once it has contact when it lands, that’s when it explodes. So, that way you don’t blow yourself up.

David Read:
What if you missed and hit something near to you and it falls to the ground and starts rolling towards you? You better get going.

Rob Fournier:
You start running. You get the hell out of there.

David Read:
More from Children of the Gods.

Rob Fournier:
There’s another shot of it. You can see this one has a dual mag on it also. You can see that’s a shorter variant. I can see that barrel. So, that would be a CAR-15 with a 203 on it with a dual magazine. So, that one, if it was firing, then it’s the real one. And if it was a replica, then it would be much lighter.

David Read:
I see. Oo, Death Glider killer.

Rob Fournier:
Yes, the old Stinger. Been around for a long time. Still used in some countries around the world but it worked off a heat signature. So, it basically would set up, you would lock onto a heat signature. It wasn’t the easiest thing to use, and it’s not exactly compact, but it was deadly accurate, especially within two or three miles.

David Read:
I’m sorry, what’s this remote here? Is this…?

Rob Fournier:
That’s basically to charge… There’s a battery inside and that basically gives you the power to charge it if your battery’s low because it was, like, you can reuse this weapon. It’s not a throwaway weapon. So, instead of taking the battery out constantly which is a big hassle, that would just be an auxiliary hookup to recharge your battery.

David Read:
Look like something I’d take off my motorcycle. And there they are.

Rob Fournier:
There’s a good shot. That’s in North Vancouver in the GVRD at the… We used to call it the 4K mark. And I just remember that because my two armorers were down below, with the firearms shooting down there, and I was up top making sure that this person held the stinger correctly, and basically gave it a little recoil, but there wouldn’t be much because it’s a blowback. It’s not a blowback weapon, sorry. It’s a vacuum type weapon. So, everything goes out the back end. There’s a little bit of recoil, but the missile does the rest.

David Read:
What’s this cloud here? What kind of material is that?

Rob Fournier:
That’s special effects. They added that in. They gave it…

David Read:
In post?

Rob Fournier:
I think there was a little one and then they added through CGI, and then they wanted to clear the smoke quickly, so you’d see trail of the missile as it’s taken out the Goa’uld ship. That’s SG-2, right?

David Read:
Yes, that is.

Rob Fournier:
And then there’s the impact there.

David Read:
SGC One, Zero Goa’uld. That’s great.

Rob Fournier:
That’s a basic smoke grenade. This color would be red. Red would signify a target area, where you want your… If you had air cover or definitely, like, helicopter, fighter, aircraft or what have you, you wanna mark the target with red smoke. M67 fragmentation grenade. Still used today…

David Read:
What’s in there?

Rob Fournier:
For a long time. So, that’s a C4. Basically, it’s a fuse that runs down the middle, from the top portion all the way to the middle of the grenade, so the fuse is between five and seven seconds, roughly. And then what it does, it ignites inside which helps ignite the C4. But the C4 inside is also encased with a bunch of ball bearings. The encasement of the grenade itself is like a cast alloy. So, there’s a lot of shrapnel that comes out of that too once the grenade explodes. Your good old 1911. Been around since 1911.

David Read:
Colt.

Rob Fournier:
Mostly for ceremonial purposes but the US Marine Corps still uses it today. We used it the odd time because they wanted a different look from the M9, the Beretta, and it’s a very reliable weapon. Extremely… I know this gentleman. He’s a friend of mine.

David Read:
I’m looking forward… I wanna have him on the show this season. Absolutely. He’s Hammond in this episode, and he’s Major Kearney in Season Eight. Good guy.

Rob Fournier:
He’s a local. He lives here in Vancouver.

David Read:
Alright, very good.

Rob Fournier:
But he’s holding the 1911 there and he’s just about to open up a door.

David Read:
Let SG-1 out.

Rob Fournier:
Good old Smith and Wesson, Model… It’s actually a Model 9. Sorry, Model 10. This has been around since the 1920s, used with the police forces.

David Read:
Yeah, cops and robbers films.

Rob Fournier:
Cops and robbers. You’ve seen it in many gangster movies and stuff like that for the police units. This is actually not bad. That’s my friend, Efo [Efosa Otuomagie]. He’s a stunt performer and actor. I was there that day and they wanted, basically, to see more of the gun. So, I had to change his left hand a little bit and go underneath. I’m, like, “OK. We’ll go a little old school,” and found a happy compromise.

David Read:
Not Rob going, “You want that shot? Move your camera.” “We want this angle.” “Well, I want safety.”

Rob Fournier:
There you go. Walther P99. It was actually made famous by The Day After… Not The Day After Tomorrow. Tomorrow Never Dies.

David Read:
James Bond.

Rob Fournier:
Pierce Brosnan, when he lost his Walther PPK, and then he goes, “Oh, Walther P99.” 13 in 1. So, great handgun, still used today. Used it on many, many different movies and stuff like that. This is an actual hanger in Boundary Bay which is in South Vancouver area. And it used to be an old Air Force hanger. So, we filmed there quite a bit, and we used that hanger quite a lot.

David Read:
Later on, the hangers were often empty stages in Bridge Studios. For something like this, you’re gonna have a… I think a C5 Galaxy was landing outside of this. If you’re gonna go there, you might as well get that a little bit bigger.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, absolutely. The full Uzi. Made famous by Israel but still used today. It is a tank. You could drive over this with your one-ton truck and it won’t even hurt it. It’s incredibly… It’s not the most accurate weapon because it’s not a long barrel on it but at close range, it’s devastating.

David Read:
Was this yours?

Rob Fournier:
That’s what I was using there, and the gentleman on the left… Gentleman on the right had a different weapon but we both had Uzis there. That’s the newer version of the M16. The designate here is Colt Model 715 but this would be an M16A3. So, this is a later version that came out probably after Season Five or Six and it had a different fore stock. It had a forward assist on it. But it was a standard issue US military.

David Read:
If there’s anything in this collection that is not manufactured anymore, I’d love to know it, just so you know.

Rob Fournier:
You bet.

David Read:
There is Jack.

Rob Fournier:
He’s probably shooting at me at some point.

David Read:
This was a Black Ops mission in the 80s that he’s recalling.

Rob Fournier:
Oh yes. I remember that.

David Read:
He’s in East Germany and he’s probably taking out Russians and Germans.

Rob Fournier:
He must [have] enjoyed that one. He did enjoy firing that. I think he was the only one that was firing the M16.

David Read:
He went… The man… The number of rounds that that man went through in episodes like the one with you… Forever in a Day, with the vehicle that you’re on and along with… Trying to shoot down Dan Payne at the quarry later on. He went through so much ammunition over that show. It’s wild.

Rob Fournier:
He did. He did. Quite a bit. That’s just a smaller version yet of a CAR-15. You can see the muzzle breaks a little different. This is a standard 20-round magazine on it, but they’ve come with 30-round now and then as high 100-round C-Mags, which I think I’ve seen in a different photo.

David Read:
There’s Jay.

Rob Fournier:
Jay, yeah. He’s got the… That’s a CAR-15 with a 203 on it. That’s the same one of an older M16.

David Read:
Got it.

Rob Fournier:
Oh, the good old Dragunov. So, there’s my friend Bill Ferguson again. This time he’s holding a different weapon, but this is the Dragunov. This is a Russian sniper rifle, caliber 7.62x54mmR. So, it is a long round. It’s a very accurate rifle within reason but extremely light, too, and very mobile. It’s just a long firearm but it definitely has a different look from your standard AK.

David Read:
Absolutely. It’s a beautiful piece with this cherry color. “Front toward enemy.”

Rob Fournier:
Well, you know what?

David Read:
How many brain cells?

Rob Fournier:
You can’t screw that up. Unless you don’t speak English, I guess. Some people got confused in the early days. They’re, like, “I don’t know which way to put this,” and you definitely don’t wanna blow yourself up. So, these were always connected with either trip wires or you could do it by what they called a clacker, which gave an electrical current by hand, running by a cable, because it’s quite a big kill radius on this weapon. You’re looking at 40 meters.

David Read:
Wow. The SPAS-12. The first anti-replicator gun.

Rob Fournier:
It is. It’s the biggest nightmare firearm that we worked with. It didn’t always work and it’s cumbersome weapon and it’s very hard to cock the weapon, like, to chamber it, like a good old Remington shotgun. But it did look fearsome. It was big and bulky. I preferred using the USAS-12s to these by hundredfold, just because it’s not a fun weapon to work with. Norinco Type 84S. So, this a Chinese AK, and it basically… You can see the magazine’s a little straighter than a Soviet style. It’s also a different caliber. It’s 5.56, where a Russian AK-47 is 7.62, or 7… Not 7. 7.39.

David Read:
Get it right, Rob. This is for all time.

Rob Fournier:
Screwed up there. But it was something… We had to set up a scene…

David Read:
I think this is in Seth’s… This may be in Seth’s…

Rob Fournier:
They wanted me…

David Read:
Compound.

Rob Fournier:
I set it up, so it looked like they were cleaning their firearm[s], stuff like that. Sorry, the Russian caliber is 7.62×39. That’s what I meant to say. A shorter round but… The good old FN MAG 58. Americans call it the M240. When I was in the Canadian military, we called it the C6. I carried that weapon for three years. It weighed 20 pounds. So, it is a general-purpose machine gun. So, it’s a platoon level support weapon and it’s very, very heavy. After 40 or 50 miles in the bush, it gets a little heavy.

David Read:
Is that a collapsed… On the front of it so you can sit it down on the ground and steer it?

Rob Fournier:
That’s a bipod that basically folds up and then [you] have your wooden stock on the back end. The American version had a synthetic stock which was all black. You can’t quite see it in that photograph, it’s very dark, but that was a weapons room that… Armory room that we set up. I only had a about 15 minutes to set this room up, so I went as fast… Crazy. Good old M60E3. Still used today, mainly with the Marine Corps but very reliable weapon, and fun to fire. We’ve had numerous characters fire this, including… Rick has shot this one, too. And just a fun weapon to fire. I fired it quite a few times out of helicopters myself on film and on television. So, it is a reliable weapon, and they call it the pig because it felt like the weight of an actual pig. Because it is heavy. It’s like 25 pounds, but you also had the most firepower over anyone.

David Read:
Here we go.

Rob Fournier:
Good old P90. So, you [have] got Rick there holding it properly, and then Amanda on the lower photo, finger off the trigger. She was so well-trained. And they always held it correctly. Because I’ve seen some people in other movies hold it incorrectly and it kind of takes away from the whole purpose of the weapon.

David Read:
You guys wanted to get it right, and they know that they have fans from the show who are watching this series on military bases, who… They don’t want them snickering at them while they watch this and they’re getting taken out of the magic. This is great stuff.

T:
Good old MP5K. That’s a stunt performer. His friend is Mike Cook. He’s actually from Scotland. I love the guy. He’s great and he still works in film today although he looks much older now. That MP5K is a great little submachine gun. This is a Micro Uzi. So, very small submachine gun. You can see the three settings, safe, fire, and auto. So, the safe, obviously, weapon is safe. If we go to F, single shot. And then automatic. That’s a little 20-round mag. It emptied that out in roughly two seconds.

David Read:
Save your bullets.

Rob Fournier:
It spits it out very, very fast. And there’s a longer mag there. That’s a 32-round magazine that we put on that.

David Read:
So, two-and-a-half seconds?

Rob Fournier:
Probably closer to three seconds. And there’s the USAS12 again. So, I just want… I put the photo in there because I wanted to show the characters are heroes holding them and stuff like that. So, you got Rick up top there and then Chris down below. It’s funny because Chris never ever wore eye protection. When you fire this weapon, the blast, if you get too close to an object or stuff like that, it tends to kick the shockwave back towards you. And of course, Teal’c never blinks, and that time he would be blinking and I’m, like, “OK. Can we just move you away from this platform?” Even a foot will make all the difference and stuff like that.

David Read:
Did he not wear eye protection because he’s a Jaffa or because Christ didn’t want to?

Rob Fournier:
I think it was because he’s a Jaffa and that he’s fearless and he just didn’t want them with it. So, we always had to find out options.

David Read:
Do you remember shooting in the sub here?

Rob Fournier:
That one shot where it’s a POV shot of Rick going inside and blasting the hell out of the inside of it. That shot was actually Martin Wood [who] directed this episode, and my arms are around Martin. I think I mentioned this in an earlier interview. I’m holding the weapon. He’s between me and the weapon, and I have full control of it and he’s right here with a little camera, and wherever I aim and shoot, he’s watching me.

David Read:
Like a video game.

Rob Fournier:
And taking the Replicators out, and we just… That was a cutaway submarine that we shot that in, and we emptied out drum after drum after drum after drum.

David Read:
There’s a lot of the little buggers.

Rob Fournier:
They were everywhere. So, it was a ton of fun.

David Read:
Good old Glock.

Rob Fournier:
Good old Glock. Austrian-made sidearm, 9-millimeter. Been around. Still used today. There’s Amanda, finger off the trigger. She’s so good at that, I tell you. I don’t know if I was there for that because her hand is low again.

David Read:
You can tell.

Rob Fournier:
I wasn’t always around because sometimes, if it was a replica or I was booked on another production, I couldn’t be there, but I think I could have fixed that. But other than that, her finger’s off the trigger. Well done. Makarov, which is the good old KGB-type Russian military from the 80s. Very, very good, dependable little sidearm. Easily concealable and you can see it has the actual Soviet star on it. Smith & Wesson 5906. Terrible weapon to clean, a nightmare to work on, but definitely different looking on camera, and it was something that we needed. A different look. They wanted something stainless instead of your standard black type handgun on that episode. I remember that one. And then the good old SIG-Sauer P226. Extremely reliable. Very, very good firearm. I find this better than the actual Beretta. US military just changed over to SIG. They call it the M17, and it is top of the line. Synthetic and very, very useful. Then you got old Michael firing the P90.

David Read:
They desperately wanted to start being more involved in the firing of some of this stuff, and so they’re answering that call with 501 [Season 5 Episode 1] Enemies.

Rob Fournier:
Yes, I remember that. And then we had to put it in the case. We had to use dummy rounds because at a close on camera you could tell that they weren’t actually dummy rounds. So, we actually used dummy rounds which are inert. They just look real but there is no inner working inside the casing itself. And then once we got passed that, then we switched between the real and the replica.

David Read:
Would your company fabricate the dummies, or would the studio do that?

Rob Fournier:
No, this was done by the props department.

David Read:
They would study them, OK.

Rob Fournier:
The art department built that case. I was just there to help them design it which would be easy to use and also very pleasing for camera. They just wanted some… Everybody had a million ideas. I’m, like, “Look. Just ask the gun guy. He’ll tell you what makes it work.” Good old HK SL8. HK, great company. This is their sniper version of a 5.56. Smaller caliber range, probably, realistically, 600-700 meters maximum but it definitely looks different and then we put a big scope on it and it’s great for the SG teams. There’s a mockup… That’s… They call it an AKSU74U but it’s actually… This is a Chinese variant. The AKSU is the shorter version which you see Lieutenant Tolinev has in her hand. And they wanted a flashlight. A brighter one on the side because we already had flashlights on it but they’re, like, “They’re not bright enough.” So, props had to bring in these larger halogen type lights in and stuff like that. But I got to spend time with her and the remaining Russians and did a lot of training with them, too, so they got it right.

David Read:
This is an award-winning set. And so, I think a lot of that had to do with the amount of light you were able to shine in it. So, very well done.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, I think so. That’s basically an M203 but off the weapon type. You can see it has attachments above it that you could easily take off the rear stock which goes into Rick’s shoulder there. But if you wanted just use it as a single weapon itself, it came by itself, too, and you can see Rick is firing it there and he’s actually…

David Read:
I think he took out a Death Glider with it.

Rob Fournier:
I think so, yeah, and it would have to be pretty close because it really, realistically, 300 meters max with that weapon.

David Read:
Hey, there we go.

Rob Fournier:
Planting a grenade. Booby trap. So, basically you can see that the ring has been pulled out and it’s basically wrapping around the actual spoon itself. So, when the person would trip that, it would flip the spoon which would engage the fuse of the grenade.

David Read:
So, the only amount of time that they would have to say or think anything would be, “Now, what the…?”

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, exactly. It’s basically a booby trap. MAC-11. Been around a long time and it was actually used by the Secret Service.

David Read:
I was gonna say. These are…

Rob Fournier:
Secret Service use Mac-11s and Micro Uzis. They use different weapons today, but you can see there’s different ones. There’s a Micro Uzi in the background, then a handgun, and then a MAC-11 in the foreground. So, they didn’t want everybody to have the same one for that episode, so I had to mix it up for them. Different shots of with the P90. Good old Tom in the top there. I remember when he came back with camouflage and I’m, like, “All right, it’s a little bit dark but we can work with that.” And it was so dark that they couldn’t read his eyes and stuff, so they had to clear a little bit of space. But he’s such a good guy.

David Read:
Looks good in real life. He’s wonderful. I’m seeing him next month. What a wonderful person.

Rob Fournier:
He is. He’s fantastic.

David Read:
What’s great in real life is not necessarily practical on camera. You have to find a balance.

Rob Fournier:
That’s right. Creativity defeats reality sometimes.

David Read:
That’s it.

Rob Fournier:
This is a… It’s not the greatest shot but it’s basically a Remington 700 in a high-end stock that we put it in. And it’s a .308 caliber sniper rifle but it came in pieces so this is the person putting the rifle together and you can see the different shots of it there. But we still have it at our shop. It doesn’t get rented a whole lot because it’s kind of dated but back then it was state-of-the-art.

David Read:
When you rent these items at your shop, out of the shop, do they all have the same kind of cost associated with them or are there different tiers based on the item itself, or do you have it based on the number of days that they’re gonna be on set? Is there some kind of standard system that you follow for that? I’m curious as someone who does this professionally.

Rob Fournier:
There’s different tiers. Different tiers because a handgun is gonna cost much cheaper than let’s say machine gun. Just because you have to take the net worth of the actual firearm itself and the maintenance cost and the cleaning cost and all that.

David Read:
You have a job with them when you take them back. You have to clean them out.

Rob Fournier:
Oh yeah. It doesn’t end there. It’s great on set and everybody goes home safe but then I’ll have two days of cleaning ahead of me.

David Read:
You personally?

Rob Fournier:
I do. Yeah. I service the weapons, too.

David Read:
How big is your operation, if you don’t mind me asking? Personnel?

Rob Fournier:
It’s not… I don’t own the company. I’m the senior armorer there but I think in stock there’s roughly 2500 weapons. Something like that. This was… I remember… This is a revolver rifle. So that’s a .357 Magnum. The man holding it is my good friend James Michalopoulos who’s a stunt coordinator.

David Read:
Leo.

Rob Fournier:
He’s actually a fight choreographer. Good friend of mine. And basically, it’s a stock and a big barrel that hooks up to a revolver. That’s really what it is. And then we put a big scope on top, and it looks definitely different, right? There’s a shot of the Dragunov in the back coming through the gate room. And these are two of my buddies, too. These are two stunt performers, friends of mine. And I remember that. Metamorphosis. This was the Russians coming through.

David Read:
That’s right. They got their own team and went from them.

Rob Fournier:
And then that’s the PKM there. So that’s the Russian belt-fed. That would be the kind of equivalent of the M60, the American M60. This is the Russian version, still used today. Extremely reliable weapon. This is the Soviet version of our M2 Browning or .50 cal, DShK. Used a lot, still used today. You see them on what they call technical, which are just pickup trucks with these on the back, and they’ll shoot at ground targets or aerial targets, but we have a few of these at the shop. Fun to shoot and much easier to clean.

David Read:
At the shop, do you have a firing range?

Rob Fournier:
We do not. We have a separate area shooting range in order to test fire if we have to.

David Read:
That makes sense.

Rob Fournier:
This is a Redeye. So, this is basically the British version of the Stinger missile. So, same effect, it does all the same things, just a different variant.

David Read:
Also took out a Death Glider.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah. Well, those death gliders. You’d think they’d get rid of their heat signatures and they’d alleviate the problem. This is the Russian version of the M203 grenade launcher called GP-25. So, it’s also in 40mm and you can see it has a rear and a front sight on it that you can rotate it. And we usually hook these up on the side of Aks or what they call Krinkovs. This one’s actually on an AK with a folding stock. You can see with the Russian there. Good old AT4. So, this is a fire and forget. It’s an 84mm rocket launcher. It is not a heat seeker by any means. It is strictly shoot and throw away. It only does the one shot and if you miss, you better run or get another one.

David Read:
Wow. How long does it take to reload? Or is that it?

Rob Fournier:
You can’t reload it.

David Read:
It’s a one time? Wow.

Rob Fournier:
One time use only. It has instructions all over. You can see all through the top in case you didn’t know how to operate it but it’s quite simple to use. I could teach you in about 60 seconds how to operate that one. This is a full auto Beretta called a 93R. 20-round magazine.

David Read:
Secret Service weapon?

Rob Fournier:
Not really but we used it for… They wanted something different, and I don’t know if the Secret Service ever used these. I doubt it. But they wanted something that would fit in a holster, in a shoulder holster, but have the application of automatic. So, we basically have this 20-round magazine that sits in the 93R and basically you can shoulder… Take it out of the holster and then just fired automatic. It was automatic only. It wasn’t semi-auto. That’s an older Smith & Wesson 3913. We call this the Lady Smith because it’s a smaller handgun and it’s made for people with smaller hands but it’s easily concealable, too. Good old Ithaca 12 gauge. Been used in many, many movies. Super reliable. Ithaca is a great company. Very, very solid gun manufacturer.

David Read:
Would you find this in Honduras?

Rob Fournier:
Oh yeah, you’d find that worldwide. Easily. So, this is the good old… We call the Avenger 2.0. It’s basically a mixed version of a CAR-15 with a different stock, new sight arm top, K-grip in the front, the little handle, and then that’s a C-Mag. So, that C-Mag holds a 100 rounds. Instead of your standard 30-round mag, it held a 100. So, you had a lot of fire power. But with a lot of firepower comes a lot of heat. And I know Amanda fired this weapon, I’d say, “Look, control your rate,” because even the handle she’s holding the front heats up in her hand.” And they’re not [wearing] gloves in that shot. I remember that. So, I said, “Don’t let it all go at once because you won’t be able to hold on to it.” And there she is firing there. Proper, proper handling. And she’s got both eyes open. She’s looking through the scope. That’s an old ELCAN. That’s a Gen 1 ELCAN. So, it’s basically like a six-power scope that has a little arrow that points to the middle, and that’s basically… She says, “Would I shut my eyes?” I’m, like, “No, you’re close quarter. Keep both eyes open. Your right eye will dominate eventually and sight on target in a nanosecond.” And then you can see on the right-hand side there’s a light attached to it.

David Read:
Muscle memory takes over eventually.

Rob Fournier:
Absolutely. There’s your standard AK. That’s Hungarian or Czech-made Zastava, which is… They were all the same back then. It’s the most used rifle in the world. See, I was right in the caliber. Sorry. Messed up.

David Read:
You’re good.

Rob Fournier:
That was 7.62×39. And then you can see that the one that Frank is holding, that’s a under folding stock. So, the stock actually folds underneath, and his left hand is covering the stock. So, he wanted a shorter variant so he could move quicker with it.

David Read:
I want those sunglasses.

Rob Fournier:
There’s a good old GS… It’s a GS. HK G3. Later version of this came out called PSG1. So, it’s… They wanted a sniper rifle that was believable for this scene, and I said, “Well, let’s come up with something like this and throw a big scope on it and have a nice bipod.” And I showed it to Rick on set before this episode. He’s, like, “Perfect. I love it. When can we do the training?” I’m, like, “This afternoon.” He goes, “I’m in.” I spent time with him on it and stuff like that. This version here, I think it’s a replica if I look close enough. You can notice there’s zap-straps on it.

David Read:
OK. Oh, look at that. What does that indicate?

Rob Fournier:
That either indicates it’s a replica that the stock is not the same size as a real or it’s a rubber variant, but this doesn’t look like a rubber to me. He was probably just getting up and running with it after this.

David Read:
Yes.

Rob Fournier:
We had to have different takes on it but sometimes those zap straps don’t get painted out or anything like that and you’re kind of [inaudible].

David Read:
Oh, I see. OK.

Rob Fournier:
Good old Barrett M82. So, that’s a .50 cal sniper rifle. It’s changed a lot through the years but still used today. SG-3 was carrying that. I remember that because anyone who carried it complained because it’s heavy.

David Read:
“Shut up. You’re getting paid. You’re on the meter.”

Rob Fournier:
There is good old Chris with the SAW. Great weapon. Fantastic. And you notice that he’s got it slightly tilted to the right. Just a little bit because I don’t want the brass to hit the person next to him. So, I have him just slightly tilted so the person next to him didn’t eat all the brass. Because you can actually see the casings coming out. But we didn’t wanna… I had to change that. So, I was handling the cast weapons and then there was a separate armorer to do the individuals in the back. I think there was four of them behind that rock.

David Read:
There are three or four encampments trying to take out this Kull Warrior in the middle of July. It’s hot as hell, and Dan Payne, I don’t know how he made it through this day but he did.

Rob Fournier:
He’s, like, “Rob, where are they aiming?” And I’m, like, “Everywhere but at you.” Because Dan’s a good friend, too, so…

David Read:
Great guy.

Rob Fournier:
I speak to him every now and then. That’s an earlier version of the M60. That’s an A2 version. You got Rick firing it there. I remember that because he emptied box after box after box. And then you got Amanda with the Avenger in the back with the C-Mag. So, there’s a lot of firepower. We went through a lot of rounds. Good old [inaudible]

David Read:
Heroes.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, Heroes, running with the [M]60 and all that. That was a marine variant, I think, if I remember. Yeah. And that’s the fireball that comes out of that grenade launcher. So, you can see we’re using a full load there. And they didn’t want it in his shoulder. They wanted it so they’d see his face. So, I had to have him hold it and then on into certain angle, but not too high. And you can see, it’s got a massive fireball on it.

David Read:
Is that a CG fireball or is that real?

Rob Fournier:
That’s real. That’s blank. And he’s got the bubble gum. I love it.

David Read:
Absolutely. “Say hello to my little friend.”

Rob Fournier:
He’s blowing bubbles. I love it.

David Read:
Enrico Colantoni. I wanna have him on the show this season. I’m gonna try and get him.

Rob Fournier:
You can see on his top right he’s got the actual extra 40mm on that. Because he says, “What hand do I load it with?” I go, “Your left hand. Have them on your right shoulder so they’re easier to pull out.” And that’s a 60mm mortar. This is something that a troop could carry himself. A soldier. And the rounds are not terribly heavy. They’re about eight or nine pounds each. And they come in these boxes. If you look at the next photo, they’re actual compartments and each one held two in it. And you could hold anywhere from two to three of these on you, and they’re all interconnected together. So, they are also… Once you use it, you just throw it away. You don’t carry it with you. Good old Street Sweeper. So, 37mm…

David Read:
This looks like what Arnold used in Terminator.

Rob Fournier:
No, and…

David Read:
Terminator 2.

Rob Fournier:
He had a minigun on that. This is an actual grenade launch and it’s a six-shot grenade launcher. And basically, there’s a switch. If you look near the trigger, just above it, you push that switch in right there and it basically opens the weapon up [at] 45-degree angle, and then that’s how you load rounds in. All six. And then you spin it like a little tub, and then what that does is, it winds up the spring inside. So, you only have to spin it about eight or nine times, and then every time you fire it, it automatically rotates the barrel, like a revolver.

David Read:
Look at that look.

Rob Fournier:
Indeed. And then you got your Berretta Cougar. This came out later seasons. We found these weapons at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas, and they had a unique look, and I got our boss to purchase some of them, and I thought this would be something that would be different looking. Still a great company, Beretta, but it was state-of-the-art back then.

David Read:
And home defense for Colonels.

Rob Fournier:
Good old Model 10, .38 caliber. Fire…

David Read:
This is on an alien planet so we’re starting to use some of our own tech elsewhere just to sneak it in.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, and very good cover. Very, very good cover. Your basic SIG 228. So, this is the same as 226, just shorter. It’s like an inch shorter, and it basically is so it’s easier to conceal. That’s all it is. Great weapon. And then the old-time cop Beretta. So, we basically… Ther reason we call them time cop Berettas is because they were made for the movie Time Cop with Jean-Claude Van Damme. And they like the look of them so much that we ended up using them for certain characters on a planet… I’m not sure what planet it was. And they loved the look of it. So, it’s basically a 9mm underneath a thing that makes it look futuristic. That’s all it is. And then there’s just different shots of the P90 with our cast, with Michael and Amanda and Chris, and then you can see more of the muzzle flash. Just the devastating muzzle flash on it. It was such a great weapon. Everybody loved it. Good old PPSh. So, this is a World War II variant. Actually, came out before World War II. A Soviet… Russian built submachine gun. You could also do semi and fully automatic fire with it. This helped defeat the Nazi Reich in Stalingrad. Just super reliable, built mostly with some metal but a lot of Russian oak, and just tough as nails. That’s a Street Sweeper. So, that’s basically a 12 gauge. There was, if I remember, there’s 14 shots inside of it, and it basically is 12 gauge and it works off a rotary system, similar to the grenade launcher rotary. Lots of firepower. Short. Limited range but good at, especially in closed areas and great against those bloody Replicators.

David Read:
They keep on coming, man.

Rob Fournier:
Your standard Remington 870, used in Brazilian movies. Still used today with SWAT teams. There’s different variants. There’s pistol grip variants and stuff. And at the time we didn’t have pistol grip variants, so we used what we had in stock, and that’s one of them there in the photo. That’s your Russian AK with the folding stock that I was telling you about earlier. So, that basically… Stock would fold and go underneath and go against the fore stock. So, you can see with that soldier has it on his leg there, with the stock folded on.

David Read:
Did you always have a supply of what you wanted, or would you get a script and be, like, “We don’t have what I want for this. I’m gonna… I wanna order it. Here’s our excuse to do that.”

Rob Fournier:
A lot of times, if not all the time. The director would do a show and tell, and they would use what we had in inventory. Sometimes, a writer would put in some weapon that is so rare that there’s no way we could get it. So, we’d try and if we could replicate it, we would, but if not, we’d give options of choices.

David Read:
And was there ever a circumstance where it would be, like, “No, the writer’s wrong. He’s thinking about this, but he actually means this.”

Rob Fournier:
I have done lots of corrections in the past and stuff like that, but you definitely have to have your facts. Otherwise, they just kind of look right through you.

David Read:
That’s why they’re spending the money on you, man.

Rob Fournier:
Good old Garand. You can see it’s used there, too, with some of the other soldiers. And good old Matthew. Great guy.

David Read:
Good guy. Cylon, man.

Rob Fournier:
Exactly. There is some fantastic shots. I remember that because the 30-ought-six, it gives quite a big recoil. It’s a big round. So, even though it only shot eight shots, it was extremely loud inside that area. That was not at the Bridge Studios. That was at a different studio we called Norco.

David Read:
Norco, yeah.

Rob Fournier:
And I remember that…

David Read:
Snorco.

Rob Fournier:
Exactly. But they had all the sandbags there that were all set up. We had an incredible art department. It was just… It was the best for its time. It’s a good shot. Nice, tight shot there. And he’s got his eye open, which is great. And he’s using the peep sight but he’s looking right above it, too, because you’re so close that you wouldn’t actually use the sight. You can just look above the weapon. There’s that Remington 700. There’s a better shot of it. Ours was green. That one on top is black but we had a green version. You could see the person carrying it there. And it’s got a big suppressor on it. It was just something that they wanted swiping past frame. It just was interesting to the eye. Good old Rick… Chris with M60 there. He’s got that Patton-Teal’c look to him.

David Read:
And he’s got a modified device on this thing to take out Kull Warriors.

Rob Fournier:
That’s right. Rick had… I keep saying Rick.

David Read:
It’s OK.

Rob Fournier:
Chris had…

David Read:
It’s only our hundredth gun. Come on, give yourself some credit.

Rob Fournier:
He definitely had the arms to go with it because [he’s a] very strong guy, very big guy. There’s… Basically we built these weapons for I, Robot. It was a Will Smith movie. But it wasn’t used at all since we did that movie, and then they liked the look of these. These are actually their revolvers.

David Read:
Taurus 85?

Rob Fournier:
.22 caliber revolvers inside that could shoot, I think, 10 rounds. So, we basically used it for certain scenes. They were a little high maintenance because I had to have a little cordless drill and have to open it every time it was loaded, and then I’d put a red flag around it if it was loaded, green if it was clear and safe. But we had several of them because they just wanted to go take after take after take and I’d have, like, five of them preloaded, ready to go.

David Read:
They’re beautiful pieces. They really do look like they’re out of science fiction.

Rob Fournier:
We still have those at our shop. They just don’t… They are a sci-fi type looking weapon. The Calico. No longer made. 100 round drum on top, 9mm, ejects straight down. Not the most reliable weapon but definitely has a unique look to it. And we’d use it in the odd episode. I remember that. And the good thing about P90 is, you could fire one-handed. And I put this photo in because I wanna show Chris is holding… And he fired quite a bit with one in each hand, and sometimes not at the same targets. He would be altering targets and stuff like that. But he loved it because he didn’t have to worry about the brass ejected straight down. He’s not wearing flip flops, he’s wearing boots. So, it worked out quite nicely.

David Read:
Are you ready for a stupid guy with a stupid question?

Rob Fournier:
Sure.

David Read:
What is the difference between a clip and a magazine?

Rob Fournier:
So, a magazine is what the rounds are actually held in that go on the firearm. A clip is usually a combination of rounds that is held on the person that goes into an integral mag. So, this is such a big mistake. Film, television, and in reality, people [are] calling it a clip. It’s not a clip. It’s an actual magazine. The only time it’s a clip is if it’s a piece that holds the round together that goes and drops inside of a magazine. That is what a clip is.

David Read:
So, on a P90 it’s a clip?

Rob Fournier:
It’s a magazine.

David Read:
It’s a magazine? I’ll be darned.

Rob Fournier:
Yes, the magazine…

David Read:
Thank you for correcting me.

Rob Fournier:
It’s already built inside of it. So, those are… The magazine is prefilled. So, a clip would be what they used on an M1 Garand. Because it was integral. It was inside the weapon. So, you took the clip of eight shots, and you pushed it into the weapon in the integral magazine. But on a P90, the magazine fits on top of the weapon and then you chamber it and it’s ready to go.

David Read:
How do you reload a P90 magazine? Is there a machine that you get, or you drop them in one by one?

Rob Fournier:
All with hands.

David Read:
Oh my God. Seriously?

Rob Fournier:
50-round magazines.

David Read:
So, you just watch and make sure they go in the same direction?

Rob Fournier:
I swear, I probably loaded 300,000 or 400,000 rounds of P90 ammo in my time. And that’s just P90 ammo. But it’s all done by hand. Because you could control how it’s done. A machine won’t suffice because you won’t get a proper loading sequence in it.

David Read:
That’s nuts, dude. I had no idea.

Rob Fournier:
I love this weapon. H&K MP7. It’s state-of-the-art. Still used today, especially by elite special forces units around the world. It’s a really odd caliber. It’s 4.6×30. So, it’s like a little dart. But it’s so powerful it can penetrate a lot of body armor, and it ejects to the right like a normal firearm, has a stock that folds out and it has a little drop handle for holding it. With Chris, I’d always leave the stocks closed. You can see that the fronts are closed. And he basically held them like pistols and would fire them on automatic. And it was much lighter. It’s probably half the weight of a P90.

David Read:
The thing with the Jaffa, they have more strength than a human. Either 1.5 or at least twice the strength. So, for a lot of these weapons, if that was true, they would hold them differently. So, I’m sure it was tricky trying to get in the idea that Teal’c was able to carry this stuff much more easily than a human could and had to fake a few things.

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, but at the end of the take Chris would be, like, “Here, Rob. Take it. My arms are killing me.” Because it does get heavy. When you’re doing this all day, you don’t wanna be holding those all day, especially walking down a hallway that is lit with fire and there’s heat and it’s extremely warm inside and stuff like that. I was always there. I was always… Once the firearms are in the cast hands, I never left set. I was constantly watching them. It’s my job. There’s a good shot with Ben, also with the MP7.

David Read:
What’s the color in the scope? Is that an in-camera trick?

Rob Fournier:
No, it’s just… Basically it helps stop reflection of the scop with sunlight. So, it’s like an iridium-type color. It’s the same as what would be used on today’s F-35 fighter aircraft.

David Read:
Is he seeing that color on his end looking through the scope?

Rob Fournier:
No, he’s seeing a little red dot, and he’s probably on… Wants to do a single shot because he’s got his left eye closed. So, he’s doing an aimed shot, almost like a sniper. Even though it’s not a long-range weapon, it’s still deadly accurate. This is probably accurate up to about 75 meters, roughly. Good old MAC 10. That one has a big compensator on it. It’s actually the one we used in Blade 3. And it’s got a big, long magazine on it. That’s a 32-round magazine for the MAC 10. Very fast. Rate of fire, 12 rounds per second. So, 30 rounds did not last you long. The Steyr TMP. We didn’t shoot this weapon a whole lot because it’s always been problematic. It doesn’t like blanks. But it had a unique look. So, it worked better on semi-automatic than it did on fully automatic. But it has definitely a unique look and it was different from everything else in our inventory, so they adapted it for that episode. Another PPSh-41. That’s with a drum. So, that’s a 50-round drum and basically has a different look to it. But that’s dating back to World War II. But it’s definitely when you see that, you know it’s Russian.

David Read:
Yeah, this is more of a World War II era planet in terms of technology. So, that definitely fits.

Rob Fournier:
Oh, good. Street Sweeper. So, that’s the same one Rick had in the shot earlier. So, that is your 14-round 12 gauge. But the good thing about a Street Sweeper is, you didn’t necessarily have to use 12-gauge ammo, like normal buckshot. You could use explosives, 12 gauge or flares, or incendiary rounds and stuff like that. So, you could alter your ammunition in it. G36. This was definitely favorite. Huge fireball. I love that photo. That’s full loads and you can see the brass coming out. There’s a couple of rounds in the air. 30-round magazine. HK is probably one of the top weapons manufacturers in the world today. And they do… Everything is state-of-the-art. He definitely loved the weapon. Good old F-16. So, that’s your basic M61. That’s a 20mm Gatling gun inside the aircraft, which is quite standard in the F-18s like the Hornets, the Super Hornets, the F-16 Fighting Falcons.

David Read:
So, it’s in here.

Rob Fournier:
It’s in there. So, it’s actually behind the pilot and it’s integral. But the weapon itself is quite long. It’s probably between six and seven feet long. Not short by any means.

David Read:
And length increases accuracy for further distance, right?

Rob Fournier:
That’s correct. And the rate of fire on that is quite impressive. It’s roughly about 3,000 rounds per minute. So, you’re looking at 50 rounds a second of 20mm coming at you.

David Read:
And this thing is spinning in that process?

Rob Fournier:
It rotates. It has six barrels. So, it fires out of the 12 o’clock position and then it usually ejects out of the 4 o’clock position. But the brass doesn’t eject out of the aircraft. It’s all kept inside a big tub behind the actual weapon itself.

David Read:
Good to know.

Rob Fournier:
Oh, the good old COP. This is a four-shot .357 Magnum, or Derringer. .357 Magnum caliber but it’s a four shot. So, it only has the one trigger, but it basically has a four-stage trigger. So, every time you pull the trigger, it’ll shoot top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right. But unique looking. They’re famous from the westerns but this is a four-shot instead of a little two-shot.

David Read:
So, does it… It fires in a clockwise sequence, did you say? From the perspective of…

Rob Fournier:
No, it goes top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right. Because people were saying, “Well, which round? What if just wanna fire one round?” And I said, “Well, it doesn’t matter which one you put it in. It’s gonna engage that one.” Because it has a sensor inside. Once you put the rounds in, the actual trigger which chamber is loaded.

David Read:
That’s so cool

Rob Fournier:
They’re small. Good old Baby Eagle. People call it the Jericho. We call [it] the Baby Eagle. It’s made by Israeli Military Industries. All metal. Really, really reliable handgun. There’s a full load of it shooting there. So, nice muzzle flash out of it. Easy to use. Very, very easy to clean. Armorers love it.

David Read:
You see the cube he’s holding?

Rob Fournier:
Yes.

David Read:
It’s behind me now.

Rob Fournier:
Oh, fantastic.

David Read:
That exact one.

Rob Fournier:
Good old… That’s another .357. That’s a little Rossi. So, that was in the diner sequence. Just a basic .357 Magnum. Just a smaller version. Heavy, heavy barrel on it. Looks pretty fearsome.

David Read:
Look at how small Claudia’s hand is on that. There we are.

Rob Fournier:
That I, Robot pistol. Just like that. So, there’s a good shot of it. The art department on that movie at the time did a great job in aging it and making it look like a used weapon instead of something right out of the box. But we also had rubber versions of these, and we had replicas, too. Vektor CP1. So, this is a South African 9mm. Came out in the 90s.

David Read:
The curves on it. It looks completely different.

Rob Fournier:
And if you look at the safety, you see the little red circle in the front. So, if you wanted the safety off, you pull that back and the red would disappear. So, when you see red, red means dead. Red means safety is off. So, as you pull that back with your forefinger of your other hand, if you’re holding [it] two-handed, you can turn the safety on and off. Unique looking. No rough edges. Very, very smooth. I think it’s still used by certain police units in South Africa today. Good old Enfield. Been around since World War I. Very, very reliable. Used with the British Army, Canadian Army back in World War I, even before that. So, it’s been around well over a hundred years. Has a unique look because of that front sight. It’s just odd looking. But this was not a side cylinder that popped out. It was an actual button you pressed on the other side, and it would break at a 45-degree angle. And as you broke it, it had a spring and would pop out your casings and you put your next six rounds in and then close it. PM12. I did a movie in Italy three years ago and the Italian special police, the federal police, still carry these. Great submachine gun. Has a safety. Has multiple safeties on. You can see below the trigger there’s a little switch. So, you can’t engage the trigger unless you pull that switch. So, sometimes the actors, not necessarily Chris, but sometimes the actors would forget to press that switch and they say, “My gun is jamming.” So, I would take a zap strap, and I would pin that down so they couldn’t screw it up.

David Read:
You’re talking about precious seconds in production. Any way to help them out.

Rob Fournier:
Time is money. But you can see Chris has both a P90 there and a PM12.

David Read:
Great shot.

Rob Fournier:
And then they’re both one handing it. I remember that. And the beauty of that weapon is you could do tight two shots, you could do a tight four shot if you wanted. We had 10 of these in stock. We still have them. And they’re extremely reliable but so safe to use when it comes to brass ejecting. So, it was very, very camera friendly. Great weapon. Just not used a whole lot because the benchmark was Stargate with it.

David Read:
How much accuracy are we talking about here when they’re one-handed? With the kickback on that, how accurate really are they gonna be if they actually had to shoot at something at a little bit of range?

Rob Fournier:
Especially if they’re not using the sight. Realistically, 20 meters, maybe. Maybe. Once you have it in the shoulder, it’s much… This is called the AP-9 we call the TEC-9, and you can see this shoots like a pistol. It only has full auto and safe. That’s it. There’s no semi-automatic on it. You can see the muzzle flash in it. Quite fast. You see how close they are, but you can tell, just slightly from the angle, that I don’t have the person with the submachine guns not shooting at Ben. He’s shooting off of him, and Ben is actually shooting off of everyone, too. So, we always had to find holes, especially [because] this is a very close range shot firing blanks. And the two gentlemen below are stunt performers that separate. So, we always had to rehearse, and we wouldn’t actually load anything up with blanks until I was a 100 percent happy with it. There’s some more great shots with the Garand. Amanda with the P90. Good old Thompson M1A. Been around since World War II. Super reliable, .45 caliber, .45 ACP. Great weapon. The difference between the military version and the civilian version [is], the military version, the cocking handle is on the right-hand side of the stock [and] civilian version is on the top.

David Read:
Interesting.

Rob Fournier:
So, when gangsters in the 20s and 30s… They had the civilian versions which were also semi and fully automatic. And they usually came with drums. But the drums were notorious for jamming the guns in rough environments like in war. So, the Americans strictly went with magazine, 20 and 30-round magazines. Good old… The little Skorpion. That’s a Gen 1. Has a little stock that… The little ring in the front pops open and you can put it in your shoulder, although it’s got limited range. It’s very small caliber, .32 ACP, but at close range, that’s a 20-round mag. It fires fairly quickly. You could empty that magazine in about three seconds. It also had semi and fully automatic capabilities.

David Read:
What’s the purpose of this arc of metal that goes around and comes back down?

Rob Fournier:
It actually pops open and acts as a stock so you can put it in your shoulder. Although, you’re still like this. Kind of, it’s there. You can see how they got it open there and it’s in their shoulder. No, I think both of them are closed in that one. On the bottom photo, that’s my good friend Dean Choe, who’s a stunt coordinator. He has two sons that I train how to shoot. Great guy. I remember that sequence well, firing those…

David Read:
Bad Guys. “You’re hostages. There’s a whole school of etiquette to this.”

Rob Fournier:
That was a lot of firepower in there. We made quite a mess. And then you got the good old New Haven, which is like a…

David Read:
12 gauge.

Rob Fournier:
It’s a standard ski shooting type shotgun, but still useful, you still used today. And then you got a mixture here with the Winchesters and a New Haven. So, two different shotguns, same caliber.

David Read:
How was Beau to work with?

Rob Fournier:
He’s great. I worked with Beau and Jeff Bridges. So, it was great working with… They’re so much alike but they’re so different, too. Remington 7600. So, this is a pump action .308 caliber rifle. So, it actually pumps like a 12 gauge to chamber and to eject the casing. You can see on the bottom there’s a beveled edge. That’s an integral magazine that pops out and it holds five rounds. So, after five rounds you gotta pop it out and either put a new mag in or reload that same magazine. The 240. That’s basically what I carried there in the military. Great general purpose machine gun still used today. And you can see the muzzle flash on the bottom photo. Has a nice starburst. I think with Replicators in this one.

David Read:
There they are. There they come. That’s so cool. All right. So, this is Atlantis.

Rob Fournier:
Yes. So, this is a Desert Eagle. It’s not the most reliable weapon. This one, I think, is in .357 Magnum but they also came in .44 Magnum and .50 AE, which is like a .50 caliber handgun round. Just not reliable. I used it. I did Deadpool 1 and 2 and was not a fan of it. They’re just not the most reliable when it comes to blanks. They work better on quarter loads than they do full loads. So, we tend to use a lot of quarter loads on it. There’s some great shots of the G36. You can see the muzzle flash. That was a lot of firepower, and you can see he’s doing a reload there on the bottom photo, too. Joe is doing a reload. But great weapon. They liked a different look sometimes. This is the old Type 97. So, it’s a Chinese assault rifle. Still used today. I did a movie in China a few years back and this is what the army carries over there. But there’s different versions. That’s a carbine version. And then you got the Wraith. I had to spend time with, I think…

David Read:
Neil Jackson.

Rob Fournier:
Yes, I had to spend time with three or four of the Wraith in case they were all shooting, and they had to learn to shoot one-handed, and it is not a light weapon to do. So, we spent an entire afternoon just going over it. A lot of dry training. And then it was mag after mag just to try and get it 100 percent. So, I was impressed because that’s not a comfortable weapon to shoot one-handed.

David Read:
Neil would say he would come out of the trailer and put these things up and after the take, he’d be, like, “Oh my God, I can’t lift that.”

Rob Fournier:
They’re not exactly light either. It’s not like shooting a handgun. And then you got Chris firing the SAW. That’s not Chris but that’s one of the Stargate members firing the SAW. You can see the muzzle flash. That’s a full flash on it. And then you got Joe on the bottom right there. So, big, big muzzle flash. Very impressive weapon and very loud, especially indoors. And you got the Benelli Super 90. Used by the military. Very, very reliable. Great shotgun. Has a unique look. There’s much better variants today, but this is what we had at the time. And then the Mossberg, which is another great shotgun. Simple to use, cheaper to buy for an average civilian, and extremely reliable. There is… That’s the side-by-side shotgun that we used, and that one had a piece underneath, and I think it threw… I’m not sure what that addition was. I can’t remember of it was a net of some sort that launched, or something like that.

David Read:
What’s that wisp?

Rob Fournier:
I don’t know what that is. I’m looking at that.

David Read:
It’s cool, whatever it is.

Rob Fournier:
It’s a CG thing. So, this is an actual… So, the Krieghoff is… The top photo is a real photo. That’s what the U-boat commanders in the German Navy used in World War II for flares. So, if they had to launch a flare for emergencies, or to mark a target or something like that… It was a two-shot. So, basically you have a little handle in the front, in front of the trigger group area, and you pull that, and it opens up the weapon in half. That’s where you put your two rounds in. So, it was a weird caliber, so we had to put inserts in it. So, it would take 12 gauge. And with the inserts, then we could fire it with the 12 gauge. You can see the one gentleman on the right holding it, and then you got Jason there that’s holding it. It was easy to use. So, that shotgun was made on Blade 3, and that was… Which was called Blade: Trinity. But it was Ryan Reynold’s shotgun. It actually only fired out of the top barrel. The other two were just for looks. And they liked the look of it so much that we adopted it in some of the episodes. It’s basically a lever action 12 gauge that fires up to six rounds.

David Read:
This was the signature weapon for the Satedans in the flashbacks and anything that was left of Ronon’s people.

Rob Fournier:
It definitely doesn’t get rented. It’s sitting out the shop there. One of my favorite submachine guns, the HK UMP. That’s .45 caliber, slower rate of fire but lot of firepower. It’s .45 ACP and really, really easy to use. Extremely light weapon for its size but extremely reliable. Everybody likes… The misfires on it were almost minimal. I think I’m holding it there just showing it for…

David Read:
You sure are.

Rob Fournier:
It was a Stargate interview that I did many, many years back. Great weapon. Fantastic. And then there’s…

David Read:
Jamil.

Rob Fournier:
G36. Yeah, Jamil. Lots of energy, that guy.

David Read:
Absolutely. Like a bouncing ball.

Rob Fournier:
He definitely brought the energy out. That was just set up just outside the stage if I remember. I think it was… I did this for, basically… We were filming inside the stage and outside the stage.

David Read:
Is this you here?

Rob Fournier:
This is me.

David Read:
With a Wormhole X-Treme shirt?

Rob Fournier:
I do. I remember getting that. I don’t remember what season that was.

David Read:
That was Season Five. That was the 100th episode.

Rob Fournier:
Oh, fantastic. And then more of the M4s, UMPs and stuff like that. There’s an M4 right there that I’m just cocking it, showing everybody it’s clear and safe. Finger off the trigger. And just showing that there’s different variants. We had a big rail on the front. So, we used to adapt lights on it or laser aiming modules. Stuff like that. The G36s, Beretta and M4s there. Trigger locks we left on the weapons if they weren’t being used and that way you always had the same… A lot of times the actors would want the stock at a certain opening, for continuity, and it was for comfort also. So, I would basically mark those on the buttstock and as I gave back to the actor, I’d take the piece of tape off and slap it on my leg and when they’re done, I’d just put it back on. This is the Krinkov. So, you’ve probably seen photos of Bin Laden with this at his side, right? Submachine gun… Well, it’s not submachine gun. It’s same caliber but it’s a smaller caliber than the AK but that has a plastic magazine. Extremely reliable. Favorite amongst Russian spetsnaz. Back then… They use much different weapons today but in the 80s and 90s and 2000s, this was their primary weapon. Oh, good old Walther P38. So, this is basically the second-generation version of a Luger. A much more reliable weapon, built in World War II by Mauser, and later became Walther, but great, great handgun. Super reliable, easy to use. And then your standard Beretta.

David Read:
From the movie.

Rob Fournier:
This is the actual movie here. A lot of the firearms that were off the movie, we tried to replicate as much as we could in the first season of SG-1, especially with James Spader. He’s holding the Beretta there. Then you got Kurt Russell. He had an MP5 and different types of firearms. But everything that they used in the movie, we had in our inventory. So, it was easy to replicate. I had to watch this movie over and over and over and over…

David Read:
I bet you did.

Rob Fournier:
And get a feel for it because I had to train all the cast. There’s a lot of training that went on. So, you got your standard Glock which was used in there also. And then the different characters. I’ve worked with Kurt Russell several times. He’s a great guy and extremely knowledgeable with firearms and just a great person to work with.

David Read:
It makes so much of a difference when you have someone who has previous experience with firearms and a respect for the weapon. You just take care of it when it takes care of you.

Rob Fournier:
And there’s a little shot holding the Glock. Got his arm around his neck and stuff like that. His finger’s on the trigger so at that point he’s ready to engage. At some point you have to get your finger on the trigger. It can’t be off the trigger the whole time. These are earlier version MP5s. These are A2 models. So, you can see the select lever on the top has the lettering where the one on the bottom, which is a different variant, has no bullet, one bullet, and then lots of bullets. So, it’s more of a symbolism thing so you didn’t have to deal with letters because that way you could use it around the world.

David Read:
Ah, I see. OK. No, one, and lots.

Rob Fournier:
The white with the X across means safe. The single bullet means single shot. And then lots of bullets means fully automatic.

David Read:
And red means dead. Is that a global standard in terms of weaponry.

Rob Fournier:
It is. Especially with the HK now because they sell to so many different countries. There’s different versions there and stuff like that. He’s got the beret on the right way which is great to see. It’s over the left eye. Being a technical advisor, too, I look at these things. Then your standard MP5. There is no way you would stand with it up with the barrel at the side of your head like that. Not in a million years. But I think they just wanted to see it on camera. PSG1. Great sniper rifle. I mentioned this earlier. This is crème de la crème back in the 80s, 90s, 2000s. .308 caliber. 7.62 and extremely accurate. And a very expensive weapon. You’re looking at about 15,000 US [dollars] for that.

David Read:
15,000?

Rob Fournier:
Yeah. Great weapon. Just more shots of it there. Beret’s riding a little high. That means they didn’t have time to reset, and costumes was too far away. Different shot. M16A1 and then A2 on the bottom. A2 handguards. So, you can see the difference in the handguard. The one on the top is more Vietnam era and the one on the bottom is definitely a later version. More 80s, 90s. And then your good old Mossberg Bullpup, which… We have these at the shop. They didn’t want these, which was fine. They only hold like four shots. Four or five shots. But it’s pump action 12 gauge. It definitely has a unique look. I’m glad they used it in the movie because it doesn’t get enough credit.

David Read:
Absolutely.

Rob Fournier:
And there’s some group shots there. Stuff like that. Although everywhere your rifle goes is where you’re looking. So, if you look in a certain area, rifle is not pointed the other way which we see on the left-hand side there, on the top photo. You would not be doing that but anyways. These are actual Stargate blocks.

David Read:
Blocks of plastic death. I sold these. This is probably from a picture that I had taken because it’s really poised and everything for prop works. So, that’s probably exactly what that is.

Rob Fournier:
No, it doesn’t look like that in reality, but I think they wanted it camera-friendly. It worked. It says C4 right on it. That’s actually what it looks like, right there. So, it comes in two-pound blocks. I worked a lot with C4 when I was in the military, and it is powerful stuff. And you can definitely shape it with heat. If you take a flame through it to heat it up, it’s not gonna blow up in your hand.

David Read:
“One percent DMNB”?

Rob Fournier:
Yeah, that’s the type of chemical compound inside that basically gives it that explosive charge inside. So, it says charge demolition, but people call it C4 because that’s the military designate.

David Read:
What in it makes it pop? What have they done with the molecular compound inside this clay to make it go boom?

Rob Fournier:
It’s a chemical compound. I don’t know the exact breakdown but what it has is it needs initiation. So, it needs either a blasting cap or an electrical charge. When we take a blasting cap and we put it inside the C4, that actually sets a very violent fuse off which ignites the C4. But it has to be a certain amount of pressure involved in order to set off the explosive. So, when you take a lighter to it… We used to take lighters to it just so it becomes hard as a rock.

David Read:
Oooh. [Inaudible]

Rob Fournier:
You wanna shape it into a shape charge.

David Read:
So, little bit of fire won’t hurt anything?

Rob Fournier:
No, no. We used to… I had a friend of mine made a Bart Simpson head out of his once. Of course, it was funny, but he had to change it eventually.

David Read:
Of course.

Rob Fournier:
And that’s Semtex. So, that’s more of a shape charge. So, Semtex is what they used to do, like, entries through tape. You’ll see SEAL teams use it to go on the side of an aircraft or into a building stuff, and they’ll either lay a tape around a door, and that’s usually made of Semtex. So, it’s what they call directional charge. This is DM 12. So, this is a German version of C4. We got to work with these when I was based in Germany quite a bit. It’s a little bit more powerful than C4, and it comes in a smaller amount. It’s only, I think, one-and-a-half-pound block and stuff like that. But definitely powerful stuff. We would build a structure and then just blow it up and there it was. That was part of the course.

David Read:
Rob, who discovered that plastic could do this if you had the right molecular compounds?

Rob Fournier:
I have no idea.

David Read:
I know how the microwave was discovered. It was an accident in World War II. But I’m curious. So many things that we use and take for granted were come upon by accident.

Rob Fournier:
Yes, and most inventions are made through the military.

David Read:
Absolutely.

Rob Fournier:
They have the money and the research and time to do it.

David Read:
Absolutely. That’s what I have here. This was so cool. Thank you for taking the time to go through… I learned a lot. I always learn a lot when I sit down with you and it’s really something special to go through nuts and bolts of each of these pieces that created the series. I really appreciate you taking the time.

Rob Fournier:
No, thank you. It was all… Pleasure was all mine, David. Thank you.

David Read:
That was Rob Fournier. Owner of P-51 Productions and the armorer of Stargate SG-1, Atlantis and Universe. I have to thank Rob tremendously for all that he has done for me and for Dial the Gate, and the knowledge that he has provided. And I consider him a friend now and he’s really been there to have my back. So, I appreciate him continuing to come back to share his immense wealth of knowledge for his niche in this film and television industry. There are not many people like him. That is for sure. If you enjoy Stargate, and you wanna see more content like this on YouTube, click the Like button. It makes a difference and will continue to help us grow the channel. Please also consider sharing this video with a Stargate friends. And if you wanna get notified about future episodes, click Subscribe, and giving the bell icon a click will notify you the moment a new video drops. And you’ll get my notifications of any last-minute guest changes. And clip from this episode will be released over the course of the next few weeks on the Dial the Gate YouTube channel. Tremendous thanks to my producers, Anthony Rawling and Linda GateGabber Fury for always having my back. My moderating team. Could not do this show without Tracy, Anthony, Jeremy, Marsha, Summer, Raj and Lockwatcher. You guys make this show possible, week in and week out. Frederick Marcous, our web developer over at Dial the Gate. He’s got an updated website coming in the next few months here so really looking forward to seeing what he’s got in store. And more episodes are coming your way, both pre-recorder and live so be sure to stay tuned. My name is David Read for Dial the Gate, and I will see you on the other side.