A Stargate Christmas Carol (Special)
A Stargate Christmas Carol (Special)
Watch Tom McBeath (“Maybourne”) reprise his role as Ebeneezer Scrooge along with Garwin Sanford (“Narim”) and Jacqueline Samuda (“Nirrti”) in special roles!
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Stargate and a Christmas Carol
In Christmas seasons past, Tom McBeath has played the role of Ebeneezer Scrooge on the stage. For this program he is joined by Garwin Sanford and Jaqueline Samuda to bring six scenes from the beloved Dickens classic to life. Join us immediately following these scenes a the three actors discuss a Christmas Carol.
Tom McBeath:
Marley has already introduced the play to the audience. But this is the first time we get down to see who Scrooge is and how he runs the world. OK. Here we go. Lights up.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Five hundred and twenty-one. Five hundred twenty-two. Five hundred twenty-three, twenty-four. Five hundred twenty-five.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Um, Mr. Scrouge. Excuse me sir. With regard to this. I mean that is, with regard to Mrs. Trotter’s situation sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
The usual Cratchit. Haven’t I told you so already?
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Yes sir. It’s just that…
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Tell the authorities they’re to confiscate the belongings and clap the family into debtor’s prison.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Well, it’s just that, well sir, the Trotters, they are good people, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
They are debtors, sir. They belong in debtor’s prison.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Yes sir. But…
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Ah sir; do you hear me?
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Yes sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Then don’t waste my time. Do I look like a fool sir?
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
No, Mr. Scrooge. No. Certainly not, sir. I’m sorry.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
So, this is my business, Cratchit. My business. Money is my business. Making money, lending money, and thereby making more money. When a body owes me money and don’t pay it, he must suffer the consequences. Do I look like a charity?
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
No, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
No. Oh, and Cratchit…
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Sir?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
The next time I spy you sneaking an extra piece of coal for your fire will be the time you and I part company.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Yes.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Now back to work.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Yes, sir.
Garwin Sanford:
Oh God. Terrifying old man.
Tom McBeath:
I am. Is that all right?
David Read:
That’s all right.
Tom McBeath:
Good. Scrooge is still in his office and his nephew Fred comes in to see him. Here we begin.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Ah, merry Christmas, uncle! God save you.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Ah, bah. Humbug!
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Oh, Christmas, a humbug, uncle. You don’t mean that, I’m sure.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
I do. Merry Christmas. What right have you to be merry? What reason have you to be merry? You’re poor enough.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Well, come then. What right have you to be miserable? What reason have you to be gloomy or rich enough?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Bah, humbug!
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Oh, don’t be cross, uncle.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
But what else can I be when I live in such a world of fools as this? Merry Christmas. Out upon Christmas. No. What’s Christmas to you but a time for spending money that you don’t have? A time for finding yourself a year older but not an hour richer. If I could work my will, every idiot who goes about with a merry Christmas on his lips should be boiled to death with his own plum pudding and buried with a steak of holly through his heart. He should.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Oh uncle!
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Oh nephew! Keep Christmas in your own way and let me keep it in mine.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
But you don’t keep it.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Let me leave it alone then. Much good it may do you. Much good has ever done you.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Well, there are many things from which I have derived good, but which I have not profited, I dare say, Christmas among them. But I’m sure I have always thought of Christmas time, apart from the veneration, due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belong to it, can be apart from that as a good time, a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time, the only time I know of in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely. And therefore, uncle, though it may never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good and will do me good. And I say, God bless it.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
You’re quite a powerful speaker, sir. I wonder you don’t go into Parliament.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Oh, don’t be angry, uncle. Come, join us for Christmas supper tomorrow.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
I’ll be hanged first.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Why?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Why did you marry?
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Because I fell in love.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Love. The one thing in the world more ridiculous than Christmas. Good afternoon.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
Uncle. You never came to see me before I fell in love. Why give this as a reason for not coming now?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Good afternoon.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
I want nothing from you. I ask nothing of you. Why can’t we be friends?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Good afternoon.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
I am sorry with all my heart to find you so resolute. We have never had any quarrel of which I am aware. And I’ve made my offer to you in the spirit of Christmas and I shall keep my Christmas spirit to the last. So, a merry Christmas, uncle…
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Good afternoon.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
…and a happy new year.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Good afternoon.
Garwin Sanford as Fred Holywell:
A merry Christmas, Mr. Cratchit.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Thank you, sir. And a merry Christmas to you, Mr. Holywell.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Oh, there’s another fellow, my clerk, with a measly fifteen shillings a week and a wife and children talking about a merry Christmas. I’ll retire to the mad house. One, two, three…
Tom McBeath:
It’s the end. Scrooge is in his office. The charitable gentleman comes in asking for a donation, as they do at that time of year, and here he is at Scrooge and Marley’s place.
David Read:
Here he is having read this once. Thanks for that.
Tom McBeath:
Thank you.
David Read:
You’re welcome. Thank you.
Tom McBeath:
This here is the charitable gentleman. Mr. David Read.
David Read:
Oh my God.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
Scrooge and Marley’s, I believe. Have I the pleasure of addressing Mr. Scrooge or Mr. Marley?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Mr. Marley is dead, sir. He died seven years ago. This very evening.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
Gracious me. On Christmas Eve, sir?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
On Christmas Eve, sir.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
I have no doubt his generosity is well represented by his surviving partner.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
No doubt indeed. We were always very similar in our priorities.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and the destitute who suffer so greatly at the present time. Many thousands are homeless. Hundreds of thousands go hungry, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Are there no prisons?
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
Plenty of prisons, yes.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Are there work houses? Are they still in operation?
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
They are. I wish I could say that they were not.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
The treadmill is still in active use then.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
Very, very busy, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Ah, good. I was afraid from what you said that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course. I’m very glad to hear it.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
With that knowledge, sir, that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude, a few of us are endeavoring to raise a fund to buy the poor some meat and drink and means of warmth. We choose this time because it is a time of all others when want is keenly felt and abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Nothing.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
You wish to remain anonymous?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
I wish to be left alone. Since you ask me what I wish, sir, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I hope to support the establishments I have mentioned. The prisons, the work houses, the treadmills, they cost enough and those who are badly off must go there.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
But many cannot go there. And many would rather die.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Well, if they would rather die, they had better go ahead and do it and decrease the surplus population. Besides, excuse me, I do not know that.
David Read as the Charitable Gentleman:
But you might know it.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
My dear sir. It is enough for a man to understand his own business and not interfere in other people’s. Mine occupies me constantly. Good afternoon, sir.
Tom McBeath:
End. It was the end of the day for Cratchit and Scrooge in the office. Cratchit usually helps Scrooge dress and this is a scene where he is helping him with his jacket and his scarf and his gloves and his hat. Although we’re just sitting at the table reading this, that is what physically would be happening. And so, here we go.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
You’ll be wanting the whole day off tomorrow, I suppose.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Oh, it’s quite convenient, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
It is not convenient. Nor is it fair. If I was to dock you half a crown for it, you’d consider yourself ill-used or be burned.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Well, sir…
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Yet you don’t think me ill-used when I pay you a day’s wages for no work.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Well, it’s only once a year, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
It’s a poor excuse for picking a man’s pocket every twenty-fifth of December! But I suppose you must have the whole day. Just be here all the earlier the next morning.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Certainly, sir. Thank you, sir. I promise you ours will be the first door open, the first candles lit on Boxing Day this year, Mr. Scrooge. We’ll be toting out figures before half the city is even awake, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Just see that you’re here. That’s all.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. And a merry…
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Humbug!
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Christmas.
Tom McBeath:
Oh, this scene is with Scrooge watching… These characters are not really aware that he’s there. He’s been taken into his past and the scene kind of speaks for itself. Belle was an old lover of his. She herself wasn’t old, just in the past. They were boyfriend and girlfriend and himself, young Ebenezer, he’s seeing himself with Belle.
David Read:
I’ve known this scene all my life and I’m sitting here quietly crapping myself.
Tom McBeath:
We’re going to have David read Ebenezer.
David Read:
I haven’t read this. I’m having the living daylights scared out of me.
Darren Sumner:
You look like you’re going to vomit.
David Read:
Yeah, I am.
Tom McBeath:
OK, here we come. And I will announce lights up. And I start. Scrooge does. From a distance. Lights will come up.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Belle! No Spirit. Please, not this.
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
It matters little. To you, very little. Another idol has displaced me. And if it can cheer and comfort you in time to come, as I would have tried to do, I have no just cause to grieve.
David Read as Young Ebenezer Scrooge:
What idol has displaced you?
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
A golden one.
David Read as Young Ebenezer Scrooge:
This is the even-handed dealing of the world! There’s nothing on which it is so hard as poverty. And there is nothing it professes to condemn with such severity as the pursuit of wealth!
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
You fear the world too much. Ebenezer.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Belle! Dear Belle!
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
I have seen your nobler aspirations fall off one by one until the master-passion, Gain, engrosses you. Have I not?
David Read as Young Ebenezer Scrooge:
What then? Even if I have grown so much wiser, what then? I am not changed towards you.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Remember me? I cannot bear it.
David Read as Young Ebenezer Scrooge:
Am I?
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
Our contract is an old one. It was made when we were both poor and content to be so, until, in good season, and by patient industry we would improve our worldly fortune. You are changed.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
No, Belle.
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
When our contract was made, you were another man.
David Read as Young Ebenezer Scrooge:
I was a boy.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
I was a fool.
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
Your own feelings must tell you that you are not what you were. I am. That which promised happiness when we were one in heart, is fraught with misery now that we are two. How often and how keenly I have thought of this, I will not say. It is enough that I have thought of it and can release you.
David Read as Young Ebenezer Scrooge:
Have I ever sought release?
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
In words? No. Never.
David Read as Young Ebenezer Scrooge:
In what then?
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
In a changed nature; in an altered spirit; in your disdain for everything that once made my love of some worth or value in your sight. Tell me, if there were not already promises between us, would you seek me out and try to win me now?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Yes. Say yes.
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
Ah, no!
David Read as Young Ebenezer Scrooge:
You think not?
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
I would gladly think otherwise if I could, heaven knows. But if you were free today, tomorrow, yesterday, can even I believe that you would choose a penniless girl? You who now weigh everything by gain. Or, if for a moment you are false enough to your one guiding principle to choose her, to believe that you still loved her, do I not know that soon you would regret it and despise her?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
No!
Jacqueline Samuda as Belle:
I do; and I release you. With a full heart for the love of him you once were. You may, the memory of what has passed half makes me hope you will, have pain in this. For a very, very brief time. Then you will dismiss the recollection of it gladly as an unprofitable dream from which it happened well that you woke. May you be happy in the life that you have chosen.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Oh Belle! Spirit, remove me from this place. Show me no more. Remove me, I say. Belle! You fool. You fool.
Darren Sumner:
The scene.
Tom McBeath:
The scene! [Scrooge] has gone through the whole play with the three ghosts by this time and he has come to understand and to believe in a new approach to life. He’s very much glad that he’s alive again. He has done a lot of things. One of the best things he has done is sent a large turkey to Cratchit’s house for the night before. This is now the day after Christmas. Cratchit has had his day off and, as you’ll recall, he has promised to be in the first thing on the day after Christmas. And Scrooge has been sitting at his desk waiting for him to arrive and is wondering where the hell this man might be, knowing that he wants to be really polite to him, but wants to make sure that he has something to say about his tardiness.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
And what do you mean by coming here at this time of day?
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Uh, I’m very sorry, sir. I am behind my time.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
You said ours would be the first door opened on Boxing Day.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
I know, sir. I apologize, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
You said ours would be the first candles lit on Boxing Day.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
I am sorry, sir. I am behind my time.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
You said we’d be totting up figures before half the city was even awake.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Mr. Scrooge, I…
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
You are indeed behind your time. Now, step this way, sir, if you please.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
It’s only once a year, sir. It won’t be repeated. I was making rather merry yesterday, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Too much turkey.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Yes, a matter of fact. It was most…
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Now I’ll tell you what, my man. I am not going to stand this sort of thing any longer.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Mr. Scrooge.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
And therefore, and therefore, I am going to raise your salary. Ha!
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Are, are, are you feeling quite well, sir?
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Am I feeling quite well?
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Yes, sir.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
I’m feeling, I’m feeling, merry, Bob. Very merry. A merry Christmas, Bob. A merrier Christmas Bob, my good fellow, than I have ever given you. I’ll raise your salary and do everything I can to assist your family, my dear man. We will discuss your affairs this very afternoon over a Christmas bowl of smoking Bishop, Bob. God, you know, it’s chilly in here. Make up the fires and buy another coal shuttle before you dot another eye, Bob Cratchit.
Garwin Sanford as Bob Cratchit:
Thank you, sir. Merry Christmas, Mr. Scrooge.
Tom McBeath as Ebenezer Scrooge:
Humbug!
Darren Sumner:
Stop.
Jacqueline Samuda:
So, tell us a little bit about Scrooge and what he means to you; this play that you’ve been doing periodically over time, Christmas Carol, and the character of Scrooge.
Tom McBeath:
The last time we did it was before COVID and probably two years before that. And we did three productions at the Belfry Theater in Victoria. About every second or third year. So, over six years we did it three times or over seven years we did it three times. Jerry Mackay played Marley and the three ghosts. And him and I went through the three productions. And a number of other actors went through the three productions. A lot of the kids changed. But as the same director, and the man who did the adaptation, Michael Shamata who had written the script many, many years before and had done it in Toronto, back in Halifax, directing it as well. He probably wrote it in late 90s and it’s been done many, many times. It’s a really good production and actually it was done this year at the Globe Theater in Regina, his production, that is still running till January the 4th. It can’t cover the whole thing, but it’s really honest about what’s there and it’s his point of view on it.
Jacqueline Samuda:
What about the moment where Scrooge realizes that he’s wasted his life, but somehow, he still deserves some kind of redemption?
Tom McBeath:
It’s amazing how quickly he starts to realize how screwed up he is. The first time he’s out with the ghost of Christmas past, he’s at the school, as a kid, that he attended, that he was pushed into. And he starts to feel what he felt as a kid and how lost and afraid he was. And it all comes back to him. Now, he doesn’t actually learn that it’s those things that turned him into who he is. That sort of happens as he continues experiencing his past and the present. And it’s the future where he realizes that he does have to change. When he does see his headstone.
Jacqueline Samuda:
Yeah. Did you by chance see the production that’s just… I don’t know if it’s still on. I think it is, though. Christmas Carol with the Puppets at the Olympic Theater. I just saw it. It was interesting.
Tom McBeath:
Yeah. No, I would love to see that.
Jacqueline Samuda:
Yeah, only four… I couldn’t believe it was only four performers. Because, they come out and sometimes they’re a 10-foot puppet and sometimes just a normal human with a large head. It’s quite something. And it’s virtually silent. There’s a little bit of surtitles. It was interesting.
Tom McBeath:
Oh, no. I would have loved to have seen that. Well, anyways, it’s probably the piece that I’ve reintroduced most often. And each time we’ve worked on it, it’s changed. Michael Shamata would say, “Well, let’s think about it this way this time.” All the times I’ve directed the show, I’ve never thought of it in this in these terms. And that’s probably where I sit with the best I’ve… Well, the most I’ve got out of it is with the last way we sort of approached it that he wasn’t the mean guy.
Jacqueline Samuda:
OK.
Tom McBeath:
He was just this impatient man who couldn’t understand the world around him.
Jacqueline Samuda:
The relationship with Cratchit is kind of… There’s an impatience in dealing with him.
Tom McBeath:
Yeah. I think it started with his impatience with him and how stupid the man was. Like everyone else was stupid. But eventually got to the point where they weren’t so much stupid as they just didn’t pay attention to what the real world was. And he was quite comfortable with his real world. And so, he wasn’t threatened by someone like Cratchit who was asking for leniency for this group of people. And it was more like, “You must understand, young man, the way the world really is. So please try to do that.” And with a nephew that comes in to ask him to come to visit, “Look, you just live your way. I’ll live mine and I’m not going to knock the way you live. Well, I will ask you, ‘Why you did get married. Why did you marry?’”
Jacqueline Samuda:
Is it because your character’s forgotten about Belle?
Garwin Sanford:
[unintelligible]
Tom McBeath:
No. And when he says, “For love.”
Garwin Sanford:
Because of love. Does he not represent the loss of Fan? Is that where [inaudible]?
Tom McBeath:
Oh, Fan… But he’s handled all that. He has that…
Garwin Sanford:
He thinks he has.
Tom McBeath:
Yes, he has it in the suitcase and it’s packed away and in his real life today you don’t have to deal with that kind of stuff. And it’s when the nephew’s there at some point he asks, “Why did you marry?” It’s a little question like, “Why did you marry?” And he says, “I married because of love.” And of course, [inaudible] he just wants to come up in him. And he just knows how… It starts to come up and he just takes it and he pushes it down.
Garwin Sanford:
And gets angry.
Tom McBeath:
No, he doesn’t get angry. “Love. Love.” And he tells what he went through. He doesn’t tell it. He just says how stupid, how idiotic that stuff is.
Garwin Sanford:
Right.
Tom McBeath:
And that’s the excuses he’s made so he can keep his spine. And he doesn’t have to fight… He has to suppress his own feelings to keep his spine. But it’s not to say you’re wrong. It’s to suppress what’s coming up in him. So, it’s a whole other way of dealing with life rather than just being angry with everyone. Anyways, it’s just an interesting way to go about life as well.
Garwin Sanford:
Well, so in this version that you sent… This version that I read…
Tom McBeath:
Well, it’s the same version we did.
Garwin Sanford:
Yeah. It always felt like he would rise up when Cratchit says, “The Trotters are good people.” Right? They’re debtors, “Shut up.” But it’s like… Cratchit’s a bit of a… His conscience in a way is speaking. And then Belle, or the nephew, a little bit of conscience rising and he has to push that down. Every time.
Tom McBeath:
Yeah. It’s not something that you play through the thing. There’s only — It’s like any play you’re in, you go with the rule of, “You can only yell once.”
Jacqueline Samuda:
Yes.
Tom McBeath:
OK. So, no matter how angry you are, you can only yell once and you can only cry once.
Jacqueline Samuda:
Yeah.
Tom McBeath:
I know I had a lot of fun with the impatience and trying to control the anger, the control of the anger, so that you didn’t yell more than once, but you could see that there was anger in him. And we got to the point where the anger became his own. The anger with himself at some level.

