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Timecodes
0:00 – Splash Screen
0:23 – Welcome
0:48 – Guest Introduction
1:37 – The Original Plans for Today
2:20 – Bringing the Oral History Project to Life
4:03 – Ian is Working with AI
8:44 – AI and Stargate Terminology in Transcripts
11:15 – The Webmaster’s Thoughts
12:18 – A User-Friendly Software
17:13 – A New Web site is Coming!
20:00 – Building a True Stargate Library
21:55 – A Visual Aid
22:56 – “I Refuse”
23:40 – AI Transcripts and the New Web Site
28:35 – Hardware Is Feeling Its Age
29:30 – A Tribute to Joel Goldsmith
30:55 – Chapter Topic or Question
35:35 – Rachel Luttrell and “Beyond the Night”
42:05 – SGU Musical Tribute Sneak-Peek
43:08 – Why We are Waiting
46:05 – My Last Conversation with Joel
48:50 – Thank You
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TRANSCRIPT
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David Read:
Happy Thanksgiving, you Yanks. Welcome to Dial the Gate: the Stargate Oral History Project. This episode exemplifies that phrase that I’ve been using since about episode 151, somewhere around there. Hey, everybody in chat, I know this is totally spontaneous. I wanted to bring in a couple of non-Thanksgiving-practicing, at least today, people to help me launch this thing. Ian Bernardo, he’s our software engineer at Dial the Gate. How are you doing, buddy?
Ian Bernardo:
Hey, I’m good. How are you?
David Read:
I’m well. How are things in Switzerland today?
Ian Bernardo:
It’s dark here. I guess you’ve got an advantage over us in that sense.
David Read:
You have it in the summer. You get sunlight until … Your sky has light in it until 10:00 at night. I’ll never forget this.
Ian Bernardo:
It’s pretty much every day and every night.
David Read:
It was still light out.
David Read:
Frederick Marcoux, how are you doing?
Frederick Marcoux:
What’s up, brother?
David Read:
I’m all right. How are things going across the border in Canada?
Frederick Marcoux:
Probably much as good as in the US.
David Read:
Oui, oui. All right. Today, I was supposed to launch a special feature, and I kept it awful clandestine. I mentioned a little bit that it was gonna have something to do with this poster that I’ve got in my hallway out here of my studio/office, whatever. It was ready, but it wasn’t great. And in talking with some folks, I wanted to postpone it a few days to give us all a chance to breathe and perhaps get a little bit more assistance, and I will talk about that after this. And it’s not just SGU. It encompasses the entire television canon. In talking with Ian this past weekend, I had a conversation, I guess earlier this week, with him and Jakub Olejarz, who is our Lead Archivist, about what is possible with the technology that we have now and with, frankly, Ian’s brain power and Frederick’s creativity to bring a true oral history project to life. Jakub will be joining us the next time that we do one of these, probably when we launch whatever this is gonna be, and we don’t have a fixed date on that yet. We have a general idea, but I want people to know what it is that’s gonna be coming– Earth2andbeyond. Yes, he’s in Quebec. He’s in Montreal. Frederick, do you wanna give your address? No, kidding.
Frederick Marcoux:
I already replied in the chat.
David Read:
Oh, there you go. The fact of the matter is that there’s some really cool stuff that’s gonna be happening that’s finally gonna make so much of what my original vision of the channel was going to be in October of 2020 when I launched. A true living Stargate oral history where a dozen contributors can come in and on the turn of a dime, update a section that we had just rolled out live. And Ian, you blew me away earlier this week with the possibilities of what that can be, utilizing AI and your own sick genius intellect. What is it that you are working on right now to help transcribers archive the stories of Stargate? What are you doing?
Ian Bernardo:
There are so many great conversations on Dial the Gate that I went to the transcripts page, and I was like, there are a few of those that are missing, so that’s a shame. I wonder what we could do with AI to go into the transcripts page and look at all the ones that are already transcribed. But the ones that are missing were an opportunity to tell a story maybe for people that don’t have the chance of listening to an interview. Maybe they need to read it. And I thought we have some great technology now with AI. Truly it started as an experiment to see if we could feed the video and see if we could get something back, and it turns out that you liked it.
David Read:
Oh, I loved it. And Jakub loved it as well. It is frustrating at this stage– Here’s Willie Garson. May he rest in peace. This is the reason why we created this. It really is. We are losing people now so fast and so unexpectedly, and to get an opportunity to preserve their Stargate stories for the future as this franchise continues to expand is huge for me. The truth of the matter is that we’ve been using AI to transcribe for a few years now. We started off with something called Otter, O-T-T-E-R, and it sucked. I can transcribe about — I think I’ve lost count myself at 112 words a minute — and even still, I have to slow it down to about 75% of speed when I am transcribing myself on average, in terms of how fast people typically talk, how I typically talk, because I’m the consistent one through all these. But when we threw in Otter, it was a mess, and I found myself correcting it more often than I was correcting or trying to keep up with it, and the net result was even more time was spent. And Jakub, God bless his soul, General Maximus, I have to give a huge shout-out, because he’s a huge chunk of responsibility for everything that the transcript currently has. We had about 10, 15 folks who were a part of that as well. All of their names are listed on the transcripts page. They’re permanently a part of the archive thanks to them. But he did yeoman’s work, and now Jakub is doing the exact same thing. He’s taken it even further, and the more pressure I put on top of him– he manages facilities, clubs and things like that, so it makes perfect sense that he would be the one to respond this way. The more pressure that I put on top of him, the more he’s like, “Now what, coach?” And it’s the perfect person to hand this over to, because he gets it. He gets what it is that we’re attempting to do, whether or not it actually turns out that way. But you gave him this tool. You started talking with him, and what is it that he’s been looking for? What is it that he’s been asking you to do, and what is it that you think that you can achieve?
Ian Bernardo:
When we talked about what made some great automatic speech recognition, we talked about interruptions. Sometimes you have interviewees that are gonna talk over what you were saying, that you will interrupt them, and that’s a challenge for any speech recognition software. But now, we’re getting to a point where those new state-of-the-art models, they can get that nuance and get the interruptions just right, in the sense that they will faithfully transcribe this into the transcript and then you can edit it much more quickly, is what I’m seeing. And he liked it as well. When we talked about backchannel interruptions, the very short utterances from speakers, it manages to capture the detail and intricacies of human interactions. And that was a lot of fun.
David Read:
What about the Stargate terminology? What do you think it is– Forgive my mother. She’s making Thanksgiving downstairs. That was the thing that blew me away, was Goa’uld. It got correct. And I don’t know if it’s pulling from my description or other data in there, but there’s certain things that it’s finally beginning to catch on to that we don’t have to go in and manually change. Like the spelling of my last name, R-E-E-D. Otter refused to correct it, even though it supposedly has an index where the common terms on your particular page you can plug in. It didn’t work. It was nothing but smoke. What is it that’s going on there?
Ian Bernardo:
So, what we did in the prototype, because we’ve been working behind the scenes to build this tool that you referred to, it’s sort of a new transcript editor, and we added a few post-processing steps in addition to the automatic speech recognition that really helps with the context essentially. So you give it the YouTube description. You give it a lot of miscellaneous information, pieces of information, that can help the model understand what it’s reading and correcting, and so it’s gonna get … In the prompt, we’ll say, “This is an American podcast from David Read,” and so just spell it correctly once and it remembers, and when it encounters–
David Read:
Uh-oh. Frederick, are you still with me? Whoops. I lost you guys. When it encounters? That was bizarre.
Ian Bernardo:
Sorry. When it encounters your name spelled wrong, the context allows it to understand that Read is likely to be spelt wrong in that instance and so correct, in a sense, itself. We’re using two different services, but essentially, this is what is happening. We’re using AI to proofread AI, and then feed it to the interface, to the final human spell checker. And that helped a lot.
David Read:
It’s just extraordinary. The fact that you’re using one tool to check another tool, and that it’s correct and not spitting out gobbledygook from the word go is wild. Frederick, what do you think about all that you’re hearing here? This is your fault, by the way. You came to me and you were like, “We can do this,” in your adorable French accent. You were like, “We can launch this thing.” And he’s been hosting Dial the Gate for free up until now. He’s just been… I don’t deserve you, man. I don’t deserve everything that you’ve helped us create. What do you think about where this sounds like it’s going if Ian is to be believed?
Frederick Marcoux:
It already sounds pretty amazing to me. It’s really great that we can use AI tools that way so that we can save time and not just take jobs from people, so that’s one thing. But the fact that it can auto-correct, that it can remember, that it can detect Stargate terminology, like you said, and get it right … It’s pretty good. With everything that is coming, I think it’s gonna be pretty useful, and at the pace that you’re gonna push out those episodes, you’re gonna need that too.
David Read:
Exactly. Ian, anything more that you wanna add in terms of what it is that you’re creating with this particular tool that you wanna inform people of, wo might wanna come onboard and help?
Ian Bernardo:
Absolutely. We’re looking for help. I mean, you are. I’m happy to describe the tool to help people help you. And so, we’re trying to make the software as user-friendly as possible, so you don’t need any specific knowledge of how AI works. You just need to know how to hit play under the YouTube video, and then correct any small mistakes that the transcription service might have inserted inadvertently. And so, hopefully, this will help digitalize the– It is already digital, but in a sense that hopefully …
David Read:
For public consumption.
Ian Bernardo:
… it’s gonna open the doors for other transcribers to help us digitize that whole archive that you’ve created here.
David Read:
It’s amazing. What began as a pipe dream, going to YouTube, looking at the Archive of American Television, and watching interviews with Rick Berman, and The Golden Girls, and all this stuff, these two-hour interviews, has turned into something that I didn’t believe would be possible. And the fact that we now have the collection built, and the fact of the matter is that everyone who helps us gets credit on this. Their names become permanent fixtures here. So, if you want to become a part of that process and play around with this tool and utilize this technology, you can email me at [email protected], and we’ll get you onboarded as this moves forward. But we still have a little bit of a ways to go, but the fact is, I’ve got fish who are jumping into the boat, wanting to be a part of the front end of this. I shouldn’t call them fish. They’re talent, and they’re past Stargate folks. I just got a text from Charles Shaughnessy, who played Alec Colson. He’s confirmed for this coming week. I’ve been wanting to have him back. I interviewed him on GateWorld when “Covenant” aired. He’s doing it. Ellie Harvie, who played Dr. Novak. These are people that still exist in that world, that we may potentially see again in the future, whose stories should be archived now, in the snowball’s chance that that does happen. But regardless– Louis Ferreira. My God, Colonel Young.
Frederick Marcoux:
I saw that.
David Read:
He is coming on Monday, and you wanna talk about a personality who is completely opposite of Colonel Young. This guy is a cut-up, and he is the father of the SGU cast. I would characterize Robert Carlyle as the curmudgeonly uncle. So, the tent is expanding, both in terms of actors, crew, and fans from around the world. And all of them deserve to have their stories stored here for the future in perpetuity, regardless if YouTube remains our home or not. Everything is being archived on the backend. Ian, you’re creating a tool that will allow them to utilize YouTube directly, but I also have resources on my side as well that I can contribute, because everything has been stored. Zoom has allowed me to capture the guest’s image throughout the entire interview, regardless of who is talking. I am trying to future-proof this thing as much as possible with the technology that we have at the time, with the resolution. Only just a month or two ago, Zoom upgraded us to 1080p from 720p, and the quality of the visuals has been tremendously enhanced. It’s very important to me that you don’t look at this and feel the urge to put it in your pocket and listen to it, ’cause, if that’s the case, then why aren’t we just doing an audio podcast, except for the episodes where we have art, and things like that? I want this to be visually dynamic and interesting, ’cause people are always asking, “Well, why do you use this? Why are you going back and forth between screens?” Because there’s a quality here that I’m attempting to preserve for the future, and who knows what it’s gonna be next? So, I haven’t really done an episode talking about this in depth, so it means the world to me that you are both here for that. Frederick, the website that I’m showing right now is not gonna be the one that exists to fans a month from now. Is that correct? You and a certain someone are cooking up something a little bit more refined than what we’ve just been displaying for the past four years. Am I right?
Frederick Marcoux:
That is correct. With the arrival of a new show that we’re pretty much looking forward to, the website’s gotta look the part.
David Read:
Exactly.
Frederick Marcoux:
We gotta make it more modern, better designed, better structured as well, much more integration with the YouTube feeds, and the transcriptions. The schedule will be a little bit better, and we’re planning something that will probably help a lot of people when you’re searching for answers [to] common questions. We’re looking at putting a whole search, probably something basic to begin with, and in the future with Ian and Jakub, we probably will work on something more AI-powered so that we can simply search for a question and get every single instance of the answers from every single person who answered it from every single interview.
Frederick Marcoux:
That’s the whole original goal from the archive that we spoke about almost four years ago now.
David Read:
I’m looking for more than just you type in “Heroes” and you get all the references to “Heroes,” or you get Saul Rubinek’s episode on file, or you get Teryl’s. I want you to be able to dynamically enter something and it to give you the range of content that’s around it, in a box, as well as the regular way of being able to search for a term and so that you can have an idea of what’s in that section of an interview, as well as which section contains this interview information to begin with. And you’re saying that that’s gonna be possible?
Frederick Marcoux:
The beauty of it is it will search not only with the timestamps, but it will also search the transcripts. So if you search for a specific query, you will see in the search result the whole transcript around that specific point in the interview, and my goal is to be able to get that as well when you click on it, so it can direct you exactly to the timestamp where that question was answered in that specific video. So you could open basically every search result in new tabs and get every answer for the same question from every single person who answered it. That’s the very goal with the archive, is to make everything searchable, everything findable, and if we can get it more AI-powered, I’m guessing sky’s the limit from there.
David Read:
Ian, please tell me your gears are turning when you hear this, because that’s what you do. I talk and then you’re like, “Well, I guess I’m doing that now.” And it’s like, “No, no, no, no, no. You don’t have to do that.” And it’s like, “No, yes, yes, we’re doing that now.” It’s like, “Ah!”
Frederick Marcoux:
Because I’m not an AI person, so I don’t know exactly what we can do with all of this. I don’t know about technology …
David Read:
That’s why we’re having this meeting.
Frederick Marcoux:
… and things like that, but Ian, you’re probably more the guy for this.
Ian Bernardo:
I think what you’re describing is essentially we’re trying to build a library where you can ask AI a question, it will tell you, that concept appeared in this episode, in this interview, this person talked about that person and during this event, that was at that time, and all of that information has to surface. Because when you’re deep into a show like this, it’s too much fun not to capitalize on all that content. We need to build a very deep search engine and when you look at the ways Google can surface some information from a corner of the internet, it’s really something that inspires me to try to replicate. You go, “What about– I have… I saw this prop online, can you tell me in which episode it was used, what’s the story behind it, the pre-production, the production use of that item?” All of that is– When you’re building a … I guess it’s not an oral history project anymore. It’s a lot more than that, but it starts with the great interviews and all that content that you can surface once you’ve transcribed it and then made it searchable, yes.
David Read:
Visually, I think, the closest thing that I’m trying to describe, if I may use a visual metaphor, is this. So, something that we’ll associate with one piece when you provide another piece, and you can just go further and further down the rabbit hole. Now, it may not look like that on the back end, but the intent behind it is the same. So that you really can start to commence a new journey of discovery in terms of Stargate facts and knowledge. Darren and I have talked about a book for years. When we’re in our late 50s, early 60s, somewhere around there. And now it’s… I think paper may be so yesterday, but this kind of a thing is continually gonna be more and more plausible to carry this to the next level. And I have to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for making this possible, because I refuse to take money from fans. I won’t do it. I think it’s… I don’t have a problem with other creators doing it. I can’t bring myself to do it. I don’t care how much credit card debt I have. It’s not right. Especially with everyone trying to feed their families in this day and age, it’s a big deal for me to make sure that all of this that we create is available to everyone the world over and for free from day one. I don’t care if the show is back or not. It’s not happening. So the fact that you guys are on board and are helping me create this is fantastic and I’m so immensely thankful to you guys. Anything else that I missed that we want to cover here before I move on to what was supposed to have been launched today but is coming next week instead?
Frederick Marcoux:
For me, I want to say I can’t wait to see all the AI transcript stuff ’cause I’m really curious about how it’s built and everything. As a programmer, I’m always curious, but also I can’t wait for all the people to see the new website ’cause it’s gonna be way better, more modern and more in line with what we expect for 2025, and upcoming, hopefully, 2027 show or something.
David Read:
We’ll be ready for it whenever it decides to launch.
Frederick Marcoux:
Exactly.
David Read:
In whatever form it may take, in whatever galaxy it may appear.
Frederick Marcoux:
And in the meantime, whenever we get new information, and you get to interview Martin again, or Brad, or Joe, or if you could get Roland Emmerich to comment on their involvement, that would be pretty nice as well, that would be better on the side. It would look great. Better than what it looks like right now.
David Read:
Darren is the forward facing. I’m the backward facing. I’ve said this before. We meet in the middle. I’m very interested in preserving for the future. I don’t care to get spoiled, in particular. If it serves a function that I’m doing, perfect. But I really want to archive, archive, archive. And Darren’s the disclose guy. So if anyone wants to come on here and talk about the past, that’s great. If they wanna talk about the future, I’m not gonna stop them, but it’s not what I’m in it for. So this is the perfect setup for that, and I just can’t wait to see what happens next with the tools that we have at our disposal. Ian?
Ian Bernardo:
It’s gonna be great. We’re gonna build the Stargate oracle, is what I think the end result will look like. And I can’t wait to have the people helping us to transcribe all those episodes, and put them on the brand-spanking new website. That’s gonna look amazing.
David Read:
There is a meeting place that appeared very early on in Season One of Stargate SG-1, where four great races came together to discuss affairs of common interest, and that place–
Frederick Marcoux:
Meaning of life stuff.
David Read:
Meaning of life stuff. That’s exactly right, and Ernest Littlefield dubbed it Heliopolis. And Ian, you are working on something extraordinary that I hope to one day be able to share here. But it may be something that’s not meant for the average end user. That doesn’t mean that production can’t be assisted by it as they give birth to this next thing, this SG4 that I’ve been calling it for the past few years on this channel. I don’t know how it is that you’ve created this, and I’m really… I’m worse than the Tollan right now. “Are you practicing being vague?” But the fact that you can put an image in and it pops out anything Stargate related is pretty extraordinary, and I will leave it at that. Do you wanna say anything else? Do you wanna tease anything here?
David Read:
No. I think that’s a pretty good teaser. Starting with the transcripts, we’re gonna try to build the Stargate oracle, an AI that can answer any question about that universe, that franchise.
David Read:
Whether you’re a fan or whether you are someone in production who’s saying, “OK. What episodes does O’Neill’s cabin appear in? How often is it referenced? How many times did he try to get Jack fishing? Did he try to get Carter to go fishing with him?” These kinds of things are gonna be wild to see. And the tests that I have seen, the interface may not be completely there yet, but what it is that you’re creating, you can plug anything into it. You can plug blueprints and concept art from Ken Rabehl and Wong and Robbins and all this stuff. The sky’s the limit, buddy. And thank you so much for being brave enough to go there and say, “You know what? If we’re gonna do this, we’re gonna do this right, even if it costs us some money.”
Ian Bernardo:
Let’s go all the way. Once you commit, you have to be serious about it.
David Read:
In for a penny. Exactly.
Ian Bernardo:
Pretty penny, yeah.
David Read:
Anything else before I move on from you guys to our project, to my other project?
Ian Bernardo:
No. Good.
David Read:
Thank you both, gentlemen, so much. You can hang back if you want. I’m gonna take a few minutes to talk about what should have been launched today. So really appreciate you guys. OK?
Ian Bernardo:
OK. Take care.
Frederick Marcoux:
Appreciate it too, bro.
David Read:
Thank you both.
Frederick Marcoux:
Can’t wait to see you next week.
David Read:
Can’t wait to see you, buddy. Speak soon. Frederick is helping me build my new computer ecosystem here because just as we launched today, OBS, the utility that we use, crashed on us twice, and I was like, “My God. This thing is… I need a new system.” I think it’s feeling that I’m creating more stuff with it than it did before, and I feel like my PC is fighting back. It’s the one that I had built just before COVID, and it’s feeling its age, and I can’t get it to keep up right now. So he’s gonna come out and we’re gonna– Be thankful Black Friday is tomorrow. That’s all I’m saying. Today, I was gonna launch a tribute to Joel Goldsmith. We weren’t friends. We were friendly, and he gave me much of his music over the years, select cues, because he knew that I was a big fan. And I wanted to create a memorial to him with Rachel Luttrell, who worked with him in Season Two of Atlantis, an episode called “Critical Mass,” a song called Beyond the Night. And there’s some stuff that I wanna share with you today from Rachel that we’ve been working on, and from Matt Wilson, EagleSG, who is making images that fans made years ago come to life. What I showed at the beginning is a poster created by Chris Distin, who I’ve been trying to get in touch with for years, and will continue to try and get in touch with. Because I think he created the single most captivating piece of Stargate fan art digitally that has, at least for me, been conceived. And it is the bedrock of what I hope will be next week a worthy tribute to Joel. I am gonna demo some of the content from this 60 to 90 minute presentation, because I did promise that it was gonna be today. But Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper want to contribute their thoughts. So I’m gonna show you where we are at today, and if you wanna help, hang back. Have a look at this.
Rachel Luttrell [clip]:
I went to Brad and Robert, and I told them that I’m a singer, and that I had come from a musical theater background, and that I thought that Teyla’s heritage would most likely embrace song. And I brought that to them. And they pondered it for a while and thought about how they might be able to lace it in. And I thought that it was probably a done deal, meaning that it would never happen. So when they finally came to me and said that they had come up with this concept of a song that would help support that wonderful episode, I was thrilled. And I was beyond thrilled that I got to work with Joel. It was wonderful. I was super excited. Joel was a perfectionist, obviously, and there was a little bit of give-and-take with the words, which I was happy to be involved in, in a small part. But flying down to Los Angeles, which was my home before I moved up to Vancouver, was terrific. And getting to meet Joel for the first time, he was really, really welcoming and super excited about working on a piece of music that incorporated voice and song and lyric. And his studio was spectacular. I remember his home studio kind of blew my mind. And we worked a lot. There was a lot of back and forth, and trying to feel through the song and what we wanted it to eventually stand for and be. And I have … As I said, I come from a musical theater background, so I have some vibrato in my voice. And that was something that Joel decided that we could probably try and mute. So there was a lot of playing with vocals. But we had a wonderful time. And then I did have to fly back again to record a little bit more of the song. And I got to go out to dinner with Joel and I met his family. And I really felt embraced by him. And we had some conversations about putting together a CD. He was super excited about that. And we never got an opportunity to do it. He was always very, very busy with scoring Stargate. And then he became ill and we never had an opportunity to work on that. But I still hold it very, very dear that that was something that he wanted to do and that we had those conversations. And it’s a possibility that never happened, but it’s still really wonderful that it was something that we got to talk about and get excited about. It’s been a few years since I’ve sat and actually taken some time to reflect upon Joel’s wonderful score, and how much it lended to our story. And the fact that I got to be a part of that is wonderful. It’s awe-inspiring. The fact that I got to work with somebody who was so talented and such a perfectionist and so imaginative and creative, and that we got to create this song that the fans have loved for years and years and years, and that was really, really powerful and important to the story thread for Teyla and her people. It means the world to me. I’m kinda tearing up and it’s silly, but it means the world to me, so I feel very privileged that I was able to be a part of that.
Brenda McDonald as Charin [clip]:
You were born for a higher purpose, to be the leader of our people. And that’s why I want you to prepare them for the ring ceremony.
Rachel Luttrell [clip]:
Beyond the night, a rising sun. Beyond the night, the battle’s won. The battle’s won. Fear and shame, now in the past. Pain and sorrow, gone at last. Gone at last. Circle renewed. Peace will be found. Beyond the night, on sacred ground.
David Read:
That’s a little taste of something that I’ve been working on with a few dedicated Stargate fans over the past few days. It was gonna launch today, but the closer I got to it, and I’m so thankful for Brad and Robert for saying yes to this, because it forced me to say, “Look, you put an artificial date on this thing. Push it off. Give yourself some time.” And the other part of it is that most of these are edited by me, and I’m not good enough a video editor in terms of jump cuts in terms of this amount of time to be able to pull this off for a 60 to 90 minute presentation without some help. So we’re gonna be launching this thing next Wednesday. If you have some time and you are a good video editor who, if you get access to the right material, can pull off jump cuts like this, email me at [email protected] and see if we can give you one of the pieces, because I’ve got… Do I wanna show this? I’m gonna. In for a penny. So let me pull this here. This is basically what we’re looking at right now, and I’ve got a few folks on board to pull this off, and this is what currently the plan is. I couldn’t fit every piece of music in, but I wanted to fit something in. And the fact of the matter is, it’s the music I like, damn it. I was like, “If we could have something preserved, what would it be?” And this has evolved a little bit, and this is not gonna be the final version at all. But I am not good enough to pull this off in the timeframe needed alone, because why are we pushing this now? Stargate was just announced. I want this thing to come out while it’s hot. So that’s the intent, and Joel doesn’t deserve good. He deserves excellent. He deserves what he was, and we’re gonna do the best we can to bring visual life to some of his most precious Stargate music, and that’s what was coming out today. So expect that next week to be simulcast on both Dial the Gate and GateWorld.net. And it’s gonna be really special. You’d be surprised the number of people I’ve talked with over the years who are like, when they’re fans of entertainment and I bring up the music, “Oh, I’m not listening to the music.” You are. You’re consciously not listening to the music, but you are. And on the other half of that, that’s too bad too, because there’s so much that’s cool to listen to when you pull stuff out and listen to the leitmotifs and all the little pieces that he sprinkled in there over the years. Stargate, the TV franchise, it’s not completely, but very largely the product of one guy’s symphonic vision, and we’re gonna finally bring tribute to him on this channel, something that I’ve been wanting to do since the beginning. Before Joel passed, we had a conversation over the phone where he called me to correct some… And it wasn’t … I suppose it was spelling. I didn’t– I was 17, 18 years old. I didn’t bother to double-check some of the music terminology that Neil Acree was saying in his interview, and so Joel called me and we went through the transcript spontaneously, and he fixed stuff. And he was chuckling and he… It wasn’t a big deal, and I responded in kind. I was like, “I’m sorry, but really, you stupid idiot, if you were confused about what this term was, you should have double-checked with me to make sure you were spelling it right, because Google.” But Google wasn’t as refined as it is now, so it was hard to pull some of this stuff forward. And I took it personally, and I never talked with him again. And two and a half years later, three years later, he was gone, and I get to carry that loss of never sharing with him the fact that the last thing that he did, SGU, was that which I loved the most. So the SGU stuff that you’re gonna hear, we’ve pulled from other sources and cleaned with AI as best we can, because that’s all I have, because I wasn’t brave enough to go to him and say, “You were right. I published this stuff that wasn’t quite ready, and, oh, by the way, I really love the shit that you’re making now. I wanna hear it more intimately, please,” especially “Gauntlet,” which is my favorite piece that he did and it’s one of the last things that he made. So we’re gonna do what we can with what we have, and if you wanna jump on board and help us edit it, [email protected]. 49 minutes. I need to get going. There’s some turkey that needs to be eaten. This is an international audience, and I am so thrilled that all of you are on board to make this happen with us. I’m so thrilled that Stargate is back. Let’s see where this goes. I’m David Read for Dial the Gate. Happy Thanksgiving, Americans, you crazy Yanks. And there’s a lot to be thankful for today in the Stargate community, so let’s see what happens next. I’ll see you on the other side, guys. Bye-bye.