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Warren Takeuchi as Dr. Nimzicke [clip]:
What’s this? You didn’t notice this?

Jay Acovone as Major Kawalsky [clip]:
What? Notice what? What?

Warren Takeuchi as Dr. Nimzicke [clip]:
Aah!

Jay Acovone as Major Kawalsky [clip]:
Aah!

Warren Takeuchi as Dr. Nimzicke [clip]:
Major. Aah.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
So, it wasn’t activated.

David Read:
You’re good now. Hello, everyone. My name is David Read. Welcome to Dial the Gate: The Stargate Oral History Project. Thank you so much for joining me. I have someone special to introduce to you. She is a new kid on the block in terms of the Stargate world, Samantha Pierce, Model On Screen. Welcome to Dial the Gate. How are you?

Samantha Pierce:
Hi. I am great. How are you?

David Read:
I am well. You are in Japan?

Samantha Pierce:
I am in Japan, yes.

David Read:
Are you in Tokyo?

Samantha Pierce:
Close to Tokyo. I am in Fussa, Japan.

David Read:
Awesome. What’s the story over there? How did you find your way into Japan? Screw the Stargate stuff.

Samantha Pierce:
Funny enough, since this is a Stargate channel, but military. the Air Force. That is how I got here. I was stationed here, and now I’m in Japan. I was in the States for a long time. I’ve been experiencing Japan and I’ve been having a really good time. I actually really enjoy it here. The people are great.

David Read:
It’s beautiful.

Samantha Pierce:
It’s beautiful.

David Read:
Haven’t been in years.

Samantha Pierce:
The food is great.

David Read:
Are you still in service?

Samantha Pierce:
Oh, you’ve been. I am not. I did eight years in the Air Force. That’s one of the things that surprises a lot of people. When I’m watching Stargate, I see certain things and I’m like, “Oh, that’s this,” or, “Oh, that’s that.” Or, “I remember this.” And they’re like, “What? How do you remember that?”

David Read:
Thank you for your service.

Samantha Pierce:
Thank you.

David Read:
Means a lot to have you.

Samantha Pierce:
I appreciate that. Thank you.

David Read:
I visited in 2018. Was it ’18? No. Maybe it was further back. No, it’s been further back. It’s been a while. But I loved it. I explored Tokyo with a friend of mine. He was fluent and thank God he was fluent, otherwise I wouldn’t have gone anywhere. Do you speak any Japanese?

Samantha Pierce:
I don’t. I did download an app to learn, and you know how that goes.

David Read:
No, I get it. The Kanji are com– Thank God that there’s some Latin alphabet there, but it’s so long that it’s like …

Samantha Pierce:
It is.

David Read:
… this might as well not be there at all. This is your first go-around with Stargate. You are in Season Two now on your Patreon side, and those details are in the link below, folks, for her YouTube channel and for Patreon. You are a few episodes into Season Two. I gotta ask, what do you think?

Samantha Pierce:
I love the show. I really do. All of the fans, when they made it to my channel, they were like, “You’re gonna love it. I can’t believe you’re doing Stargate. So many people don’t do Stargate and they should. And you’re gonna love it.” And I absolutely do. I’m so into it, I’m watching the episodes and I’m stuck. I’m loving every moment of it, so I’m really enjoying it.

David Read:
So, I know you’re a big sci-fi fan. Why Stargate? Why was Stargate next, especially when you have 354 episodes, a film, and two DVD movies? Most people would run to the nearest airlock. Was there some part of you that said, “How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time?” Or you wanted something to binge for the next several years?

Samantha Pierce:
Exactly. That’s exactly it. I’m a big Star Trek fan. If you watch my reactions, you will see I reference Trek pretty much every episode, because Trek is almost like the blueprint to all sci-fi, in my opinion. I reference it a lot, and that’s where it really started. I was looking for a show that would give me that same feeling I get when I watch Trek. Being a big sci-fi fan, I looked up a couple things and saw Stargate kept popping up. Surprisingly, I have never heard of it nor seen anything about it.

David Read:
Really?

Samantha Pierce:
Yes.

David Read:
An Air Force girl’s never heard of Stargate?

Samantha Pierce:
Never.

David Read:
Isn’t that interesting?

Samantha Pierce:
That was one of the things that made me wanna watch it even more, because sometimes you hear about certain shows or movies, and you’ve heard so much about it when it’s popular that you feel like you know it, that you’ve already seen it. But for me, I didn’t hear anything about it, so it was brand new. It was like, “OK, I can watch this and have a completely immersed, brand new experience for the first time.”

David Read:
Before I get into this any further, at the very least, let me fill you in on– You obviously know there’s a fourth series coming. At least I’m thinking you do.

Samantha Pierce:
Of course. Everyone’s letting me know, “They’re bringing it back.”

David Read:
They are indeed. I found out somehow. That’s a big deal. That’s a big component of it. I can’t remember who it was who recommended you to me, and I’ve found you through the wanderings as we do, digging into Wikipedia or anything else. It’s like, “Oh, I found this new channel.” We are anticipating a spike in the audience as it were, and I wanted to grab someone at this point who had just started their journey, who wasn’t beginning it with the new show. That’s why I invited you on. I’m hoping that we vibe well, and that you can come back intermittently as you go season by season into this thing. Obviously, there are some ground rules that you need to establish right out of the gate. How comfortable are you with spoilers? Is it absolutely nothing at all, or am I allowed to be like, “That could be involved in some way in the future?” Am I allowed to say that? If zero was, “I could say anything I wanted to,” and 10 was, “No, like, no means no, no.” Where do I fall?

Samantha Pierce:
So, I think a slight hint towards, “That could happen,” is fine. Anything that’s a major plot point twist– I love Star Trek. My community, they have hinted towards certain things. But maybe if there is some sort of Star Trek actor that pops up.

David Read:
That’s the thing. There’s a few of them. Of course. That only makes sense, too, because Brad Wright was a huge Star Trek fan. So you’re going to see that come through in the storytelling, too. You’re already beginning to feel it, because one of the first questions I asked you over Instagram was like, “Are you sticking–” When I wanted to change the title of this particular episode, the first thing was, “OK, how far are you prepared to go? Are you prepared to get finished with SG-1 and then–” Or a certain era– Whew, I almost did it. Certain eras of certain characters– When you said, “I’m all in,” it’s like, “OK, we have to change this up here.” Teasing, general teasing, but no specifics.

Samantha Pierce:
Perfect. Exactly.

David Read:
Awesome. So, folks in the chat, if you wanna get questions over to Sam or myself, put a question mark at the start of the post and then ask your question, and it’ll get over to me and I will ask her. But keep in mind, you are only about four or five episodes into Season Two. What did you just watch?

Samantha Pierce:
I am eight episodes in.

David Read:
Eight episodes in.

Samantha Pierce:
I just posted two more episodes, so I’m eight episodes in.

David Read:
You have a Patreon?

Samantha Pierce:
Yes, I do.

David Read:
That’s first dibs over there. How long does it take before it filters down to YouTube?

Samantha Pierce:
I try to get it out as quickly as possible. I do also react to movies and stuff like that, too. So, it’s a mix between getting those posted. I also did start another series on my Patreon that the first premiere episode will be posted soon. I can say what it is.

David Read:
What is the show? Come on.

Samantha Pierce:
Firefly.

David Read:
You’ll get through that in …

Samantha Pierce:
It’s one season.

David Read:
… some shakes of the salt. But it is excellent, and you better have Serenity standing by, because when you get to the end of that one, I ran to the Best Buy after I watched it, and it wasn’t there on the shelf. And I was like, “Oh my God, I have got to have this now.” I have to ask, what do you think about the collection of things that are behind me here and seeing what might be in your future.

Samantha Pierce:
I think it’s awesome, and I looked. I didn’t watch any of your …

David Read:
You can’t.

Samantha Pierce:
… interviews because I didn’t want to get spoiled. But I was scrolling and I was like, “Oh, my God. I wanna watch that. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.” And I was like, “OK, I can’t watch it.” But I saw your background and I clicked and muted and looked a little bit and I saw all of the things in your background.

David Read:
I won’t show it anymore, as much as I can. One of these things over here usually opens up, but I closed it, so it’s not showing any cleavage tonight. There’s a lot of cool things that are heading your way. This thing you know, for sure. The Stargate Command logo. Lockwatcher already wants to know, who is your favorite character thus far?

Samantha Pierce:
My absolute favorite character is Teal’c. He is just awesome, and that was one of the interviews with Christopher Judge, and I was like, “I wanna watch it,” but I can’t.

David Read:
You can’t. You can’t do it.

Samantha Pierce:
I can’t. But Teal’c is my favorite. I just love him. When you’re a fan of sci-fi, you tend to gravitate more towards the alien-like characters, and so he’s the closest thing that I have to that.

David Read:
He holds a mirror to us.

Samantha Pierce:
Yes. He does.

David Read:
He’s the Spock, he’s the Data. I almost said Data. I grew up on Data.

Samantha Pierce:
Data, yep.

David Read:
What the hell am I doing? What’s your favorite Trek?

Samantha Pierce:
Series?

David Read:
Uh-huh.

Samantha Pierce:
Oh, boy. That’s hard. It’s hard to pick. I think I love them for all–

David Read:
What’s your favorite couple?

Samantha Pierce:
Oh, my God. Favorite couple?

David Read:
No, no. Couple of Treks.

Samantha Pierce:
Couple.

David Read:
I was born in ’83, so I grew up on TNG and the original when I was younger. But my teen years were really Voyager. I fell in love with DS9 later, and Enterprise. I love them all now, but I’m curious as to where you fall into the timeline of Star Trek.

Samantha Pierce:
So, if I had to pick three, it would be DS9, TNG, and Voyager. But I would think DS9 has a one-up on them, in my opinion, because it’s the first one that has a real, true overarching storyline. That’s the first one that flowed into that, and it’s really good and it has such a variety of characters that you can gravitate towards, depending on your personality.

David Read:
That’s true.

Samantha Pierce:
I love DS9 for that.

David Read:
And they had never done serial storytelling before. And Rick Berman was so focused on, at the time, Voyager, that DS9 slipped through the hole, as it were. And Ira Behr got to do what he wanted. And because of that, it’s an extraordinary series, so I totally get it. Stargate SG-1 has a lot of TNG vibe to it. In many ways, it exceeds the family element that the TNG cast did, especially with the core four. How are you feeling about the dynamic between the characters and who are you looking forward to watching grow the most? Is there anything in particular that you are looking forward to seeing down the line that’s been hinted at so far? Where are you in your head space for this thing? I’m really curious.

Samantha Pierce:
So, I love the dynamics, and each episode, you start to see it peel away at the different relationships that they have. Right off the bat, the first relationship that it’s been teased and it solidified to me in “Solitudes” is the will they, won’t they with Sam and Jack. I am seeing that for them and I’m wanting that for them. So, I’m hoping that that comes up in the future, and I have a good feeling. But also, the friendship between Teal’c and O’Neill is awesome. I am seeing that grow, and especially in the last couple episodes that I watched, it’s really nice to see it between them. I’m curious to see that.

David Read:
That’s spot on. But you are Air Force, so what is the policy for a commanding officer and a subordinate in the Air Force?

Samantha Pierce:
I am Air Force, but I also like a little rule breaking. I know it’s not allowed. However–

David Read:
These are the top of the top–

Samantha Pierce:
It’s not allowed. However, we’ve seen them do what they want in real life. I’m hoping that it’s something that could still potentially happen. I know that Stargate, the writers and everything, work really closely and directly with the actual Air Force.

David Read:
Correct.

Samantha Pierce:
I’m sure that they said, “This is what we won’t do. We don’t do that. Don’t put that in there.” But for the fans, you have to give the fans what they want. So I wanna see that happen, and a little taste of that in the alternate reality, but I need more.

David Read:
You brought it up right there. So, Robert C. Cooper wrote “There But For the Grace of God,” which is one of my favorite episodes. Catherine– I’m getting goosebumps sitting here. Catherine comes walking through the door and it’s like, “What the hell is going on?” And he went round and round with the Air Force about that. He’s like, “Guys, it’s an alternate reality. It’s an alternate Air Force.” And they’re like, “We don’t care.”

Samantha Pierce:
You gotta give a little.

David Read:
That’s what I mean.

Samantha Pierce:
You gotta give a little.

David Read:
So, that’s how on him and the team they were on it. His solution was, “I’m just gonna make her a civilian. It’s an alternate reality.” And they were like, “OK.” So, to give you a taste, that’s how on it they are. But it doesn’t mean that you won’t have situations like “There But For the Grace of God.” So, you’re a Jack/Sam shipper then. All righty.

Samantha Pierce:
I am. I’m shipping them.

David Read:
Awesome. One of the things that we’re gonna do with this episode, you sent me a series of clips. I asked for three. I wanted something small and then it was like, “More.” I reached out and it’s like, “Send more, please. Please, sir, may I have some more?” We’re gonna go in and out of these. I organized them according to the arc of the season, so they are in episode order. I also went in and pulled some that may or may not have something to do with the future. I want to explore these scenes with you and what your thoughts are of these particular episodes. It’s about seven, eight shows that we’re gonna cover. There’s a couple that are two-parters and we’ll see where this thing goes. You won’t be able to hear it, but you’ll be able to watch along. You ready to watch one?

Samantha Pierce:
Let’s go.

David Read:
Let’s see what you thought of Season One of Stargate SG-1. So, let me get started here. Here we go.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Something’s up with him.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
I can save these people! Help me! Help me.

Christopher Judge as Teal’c [clip]:
Many have said that. But you are the first I believe could do it.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Ah! Ah! Something’s happening. We gotta do what he… Ow! We gotta provoke. Come on. Ow! I was like, “Something up with him.” Ah! He blasting that thing, bang, bang.

David Read:
Do you edit yourself?

Samantha Pierce:
I do.

David Read:
You’re good.

Samantha Pierce:
Thank you.

David Read:
Very good.

Samantha Pierce:
And that’s just the first episode. I like to say I get better.

David Read:
Absolutely, you’re learning. Is this your first series that you’re doing a reaction to?

Samantha Pierce:
It is.

David Read:
You’ve done movies before. How many movies had you done up to this point?

Samantha Pierce:
To now?

David Read:
Up to when you had started editing for “Children of the Gods.” I’m curious to know how much edited experience you have.

Samantha Pierce:
Just one. I actually started with the Stargate movie.

Samantha Pierce:
I was like, “If I’m gonna start, I gotta start.”

David Read:
Wow. All right, folks. You’ll find her on YouTube on Model on Screen. What other films have you reacted to? I’m curious.

Samantha Pierce:
The Stargate movie I’ve reacted to. I do sci-fi, fantasy, and supernatural movies and TV shows. That is my channel. I’m very niche, so I stick with that. But I’ve done Willow. I’ve done Alien, Terminator, Pitch Black.

David Read:
Good movie.

Samantha Pierce:
I just posted The Thing, which was insane. But it’s probably top three movies on my channel.

David Read:
You’ve never seen any of those?

Samantha Pierce:
Never seen any of them. Sorry, Mom.

David Read:
You gotta go back and watch Aliens. You got to.

Samantha Pierce:
I’m definitely gonna be posting Aliens because I actually did react to it, and that’ll be on the channel soon.

David Read:
What’d you think?

Samantha Pierce:
Amazing.

David Read:
It’s a completely different genre.

Samantha Pierce:
He really changed it.

David Read:
It’s military sci-fi. It’s exactly what Stargate is, so it’s one of the reasons I brought it up. That’s awesome. Did you at all see Teal’c turning at that point? Did you see it coming in the slightest?

Samantha Pierce:
They showed little bits and pieces of the close-ups and with the filming, you pay attention to the close-ups and his reactions. And I could tell something was up with him. And I say it in there, I was like, “Something’s going on with him.” And I didn’t know exactly what it was, but I did feel like what he was experiencing and what was happening in terms of the Goa’uld being implanted and all that, he was definitely not into it. He was having a change of heart, but I didn’t know that he was gonna flip like that. And that moment between them brings me back to the friendship between Teal’c and O’Neill, which I love. He trusted him. He said, “Many have said that,” which surprised me because I’m like, “Wow, many people have said that they’ll help you get out of this situation before?” That’s interesting. But he believed O’Neill. He really believed that he could do it, and he trusted him, and then they trusted each other and they made it out.

David Read:
And that’s why he’s got his back immediately into “Enemy Within.” No one’s gonna have his back more than O’Neill is. And the dynamic between them as the show progresses is one of my favorites, and it goes back and forth a little bit in terms of the fact that O’Neill will always be very protective of him, as you might imagine, being the alien outsider. Some of the best moments are when they treat each other like brothers in arms, but a couple of my favorite moments are when he gets to treat Teal’c like a kid. Teal’c has a child’s eye of Earth. There’s a scene in Season Four where he gives him quarters, and I won’t tell you to what. But it’s really adorable. So, it’s that kind of dynamic that I really love between them. Even though this is not really a spoiler ’cause it’s never consequential, Teal’c is 100 years old in that pilot, and his age only comes up once in the entire franchise.

Samantha Pierce:
I always forget that.

David Read:
The Jaffa are very long lived. They go through numerous symbiotes before they die, and eventually the symbiote rejects the physiology of the Jaffa. It’s a very small detail that we learn way later on. But that’s how that works. That’s how they go. They are definitely one of my favorites. I love the relationship between Daniel and Jack because that’s straight from the film. What about you?

Samantha Pierce:
I love it too, and you see that in the pilot episode as well, where I was straight off of watching the Stargate movie, so I’m thinking everything’s gonna be exactly the same, and I learned that that wasn’t the case. But it was great changes in my opinion. However, it was nice seeing, “Oh, that’s O’Neill. OK, that’s Daniel.” “Oh, they’re getting reacquainted again.” You see that Daniel stayed on Abydos and even from the first episode he was protecting Daniel, trying not to say anything, and then the tissue box. That was such a cute–

David Read:
“They could be blowing their noses right now.”

Samantha Pierce:
Exactly. It was such a cute moment. Their relationship is great as well. And I feel bad for Daniel a lot of the times because he’s working with the military and they have way different goals than he does. And he wants to meet people and look at the artifacts and discover new things and he just can’t.

David Read:
Why is he actually there?

Samantha Pierce:
That’s why he’s there.

David Read:
There’s a specific reason though why he joined SG-1. What was that specific reason?

Samantha Pierce:
I thought to do that–

David Read:
Who’s he looking for?

Samantha Pierce:
He’s looking for his girl. He’s looking for Sha’re.

David Read:
He’s looking for his wife. That’s it.

Samantha Pierce:
I don’t know. I’m hoping that that’s gonna work out, for sure.

David Read:
That’s what I was about to ask you. ‘Cause I’m interested to see what the chat picks up on, because we’re going through the early arcs here. How do you think that that will resolve itself? This is like time-travel, dude. This is awesome.

Samantha Pierce:
OK, the episode that gave me hope that it’s possible is “Thor’s Hammer.” Because we met Kendra.

David Read:
The Kendra.

Samantha Pierce:
That was such a revealing episode, so I really loved that one. It was reveal on top of reveal, so we learned there’s a Thor and there’s aliens that are looked at as the good gods and we called them the Vikings and all this, so that was amazing. And then we met Kendra, and she was actually able to influence her Goa’uld, which– We learned a little bit.

David Read:
Also, she believes that.

Samantha Pierce:
She believes that.

David Read:
We know for sure now is that– For a while there, the phrase was, “Nothing of the host survives.” And that’s used a little bit there, but they are repressed inside. They’re staring at themselves across a chasm of a nightmare. Imagine the host is screaming out and can’t be heard.

Samantha Pierce:
It’s like The Sunken Place.

David Read:
Actually, have you gotten any more of the Asgard story by 208?

Samantha Pierce:
I have.

David Read:
You have?

Samantha Pierce:
I have, yes.

David Read:
What’d you think? Come on. Gotta tease your Patreon folks. What did you think of the reveal? So you’ve seen–

Samantha Pierce:
My patrons loved it.

David Read:
So, you know their true nature now.

Samantha Pierce:
Yes. My community is amazing, and I’m such a nerd for aliens that whenever there’s any sort of alien-like creature, I’m always hoping for an alien reveal in an episode because it’s interesting. We are going to all these different planets. I want some aliens. Do you know what I mean? They’re like, “Oh, just wait, just wait, just wait, just wait.”

David Read:
He was a puppet from Outer Limits. I don’t know if they re-engineered him at all for that first one. Would you like to see more of the Asgard?

Samantha Pierce:
Absolutely. I think my patrons didn’t spoil me, but I think I had some pretty good guesses and some really good theories in my head that correlated–

David Read:
Such as?

Samantha Pierce:
When I saw Thor, I was like, “OK.” From the movie, Ra looked very gray alienish to me.

David Read:
I’m not gonna yes or no you. I want to hear.

Samantha Pierce:
I was like, “Why are the Asgards, why are they beefing with the Goa’ulds? What could possibly–” Now, it’s not hard to have a beef with them, as they are terrible. But I was thinking, “Maybe they possessed, took over the Asgards and controlled them and maybe killed a lot of them,” or something like that.

David Read:
So, Ra’s an Asgard is what you’re saying?

Samantha Pierce:
That’s what it looked like to me. But I don’t know. I know there’s a lot of changes from the movie to the series, but when I saw that, that was something that I had thought about.

David Read:
Let me ask you this question. If there is no resolution to something, if there is a change from the movie to the series, would you want me to share that with you, or do you want to lay in limbo about it for the duration of as long as this thing goes out? I’m curious as to how you would’ve wanted that handled.

Samantha Pierce:
You could tell me. There was a lot of changes that I think people have told me.

David Read:
He’s not an Asgard. One of the tweaks from the movie is that Ra came from a dying race. And in the series, that is not the case. That’s one of a small handful of things that they left behind along with Creek Mountain Complex. It’s now Cheyenne Mountain, which incidentally does not have a missile silo, and I didn’t find that out until a couple years ago. It’s little things like that. That’s one of those things that they just don’t address. But that is a perpetual fan theory to this day in some corners, with some people not willing to let it go, ’cause those kinds of things have to be resolved. The chevrons are red in the show, and they’re stone in the movie. That’s ’cause production designer Richard Hudolin wanted the color. Little details like that. But you can’t come to my channel to learn about those kinds of things, so that’s how it is. So, the Sha’re one, let’s watch another clip. We got some more to do. OK. Let’s have a look at this next one here.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Ugh. Ugh. Ahh. No. No. No. Ew.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
Hold your fire. Hold your fire.

Amanda Tapping as Samantha Carter [clip]:
Hold your fire. Hold your fire. They’re with us

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Y’all, I can’t. It could just jump out the gut and get–

David Read:
So, not a fan of snakes, I take it?

Samantha Pierce:
No, or parasitic creatures that jump into your neck. That was crazy.

David Read:
The Goa’uld were created for the series. The idea is there in the film, some sort of parasite looking for a host. Brad Wright did an alternate cut once Season 10 had aired called Children of the Gods – The Final Cut, and in it, he omitted the scene of the Goa’uld infecting Kawalsky, which in hindsight, had I had the opportunity to talk to you first, I would’ve recommended you watch Final Cut because a lot more pieces would’ve made sense, even though the Showtime version is the original broadcast version, warts and all. Some of the cookie dialogue and reproductive organs in the inside and stuff, certain things like that are there. But that’s omitted from the Final Cut because part of the reason was pacing, and a lot of the fans think, “Well, then that didn’t happen.” No, it did, but you just didn’t see it happen. And I like it because anyone can be infected. You don’t know. Jaffa go down all the time and Goa’ulds gotta swim. That was a pretty wild twist. What’d you think of Kawalsky’s death?

Samantha Pierce:
That hit me hard. I’m still not over it. I felt really bad for him. He was one of the characters from the movie. And he carried over, but it was tough. Even though it was such a fun line and sweet from Jack–

David Read:
“Can I take your stereo?”

Samantha Pierce:
But the whole situation was sad and I was really surprised, and maybe this is something that changed a little later, but he wasn’t really aware that he was taken by the Goa’uld and I was like, I guess it wasn’t activated until it was.

David Read:
It’s an infant.

Samantha Pierce:
It’s an infant. And I felt really bad for him, and how he had to die was…

David Read:
Was pretty awful. They shut down the Gate and if any part of you is inside the event horizon, it doesn’t come out. Rick was so good, even this early on. “My friend died on the table.” And I love that the implication is if someone gets Goa’ulded, we’re in trouble. I’d love to have you back for Season Two to discuss that one, because that one has come to pass for you. But I’m sure when it did, it’s like, “We’re in trouble, because the last time, it didn’t work.” There’s a lot there. I’m looking forward to getting into Season Two with you. Let’s take a look at the clip that I showed at the beginning of the episode where it rears its ugly snake head.

Warren Takeuchi as Dr. Nimzicke [clip]:
Anybody else on the team experience these symptoms?

Jay Acovone as Major Kawalsky [clip]:
No. Why?

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
So, he doesn’t know.

Warren Takeuchi as Dr. Nimzicke [clip]:
Could be a reaction to gate travel.

Jay Acovone as Major Kawalsky [clip]:
Look, Doc, just give me a horse pill for the pain or something. It’s a damn headache.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
So, why is it…?

Warren Takeuchi as Dr. Nimzicke [clip]:
What’s this? You didn’t notice this?

Jay Acovone as Major Kawalsky [clip]:
What? Notice what? Ah!

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Ah!

Warren Takeuchi as Dr. Nimzicke [clip]:
Major! Aah!

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
So, it wasn’t activated.

David Read:
Jay Acovone did an extraordinary job in that episode.

Samantha Pierce:
Yes. It was insane to see that. That whole episode was hard for me. And I thought he made it, and then I learned that there’s a husk. I’m like, “Oh my God, that’s crazy.”

David Read:
There’s a lot to these things. And they figure that out as the show evolves. They figure the logistics of what’s going on inside the body out. I’m not talking about SG-1 or the SGC, I’m talking about the writers. When you establish a rule, sometimes that rule is one that works well with the stories. And others it’s, “Yeah, that didn’t happen.” Like Hathor. Not everyone is a big fan of Hathor. I wouldn’t be thrilled with the idea of seeing her again, necessarily. I could be wrong, but you never know. There’s certain things that they have to figure out. There are production changes that take place. One of the executive producers splits at the end of Season Three to go back to LA from Vancouver. And the show evolves in that kind of way. You wanna watch another one?

Samantha Pierce:
Yeah, let’s do it.

David Read:
OK.

Richard Dean Anderson as Unity Jack O’Neill [clip]:
He’s in here. Charlie?

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Ooh.

Kyle Graham as Unity Charlie O’Neill [clip]:
You cannot change what happened that day, just as I cannot change the day that the Goa’uld destroyed my world. I’m showing you what if Charlie’s still there, inside you.

Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson [clip]:
Jack? Jack.

Amanda Tapping as Samantha Carter [clip]:
The radiation’s still low, but I don’t know for how long.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
We have to go.

Kyle Graham as Unity Charlie O’Neill [clip]:
Is Sara O’Neill still here?

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
Yes.

David Read:
“Cold Lazarus” is SG-1’s answer to resolving some of the issues from the film. And it is a special show. And I had Harley Jane Kozak on, who played Sara, and she has since had a daughter. She said, “If I could go and do that scene again,” when she sees him, “I wouldn’t have been able to take my eyes off of him.” The trauma of losing a child, you would be transfixed on whatever was in front of you, regardless if it was him or not. And she said, “I did not know any better then.” But a good show.

Samantha Pierce:
Amazing. This episode, I think it really captured me because again, it brought in that story from the movie. Because when you think about it, that was a really big thing to not talk about again.

David Read:
That’s right.

Samantha Pierce:
O’Neill went to Abydos to not come back.

David Read:
Or hear any of that, “You succeed.”

Samantha Pierce:
Exactly. We know why his son died and I’m glad that they gave us this episode because it really got to close off that story in a way, but also give us a little more insight into it as well because we got more background. And those aliens had such high emotional intelligence. They wanted to help him, they wanted to heal him because regardless of what we were seeing for the past, like, five or six episodes or something like that before this one came, O’Neill was still struggling with that. And we didn’t wanna wash over that like it wasn’t a big deal because he was obviously still struggling with that because not only did he lose his son, he also lost his relationship with Sara. We got to see that insight and when we got this moment when he transformed into him, I was like, “Oh my God. I can’t hold it together. This is a lot.” But I would have a hard time coming back from that, seeing that.

David Read:
That would be hard to handle.

Samantha Pierce:
Whether that was O’Neill or Sara. For sure.

David Read:
And even though he says, “It’s not Charlie,” what difference does it make at this point?

Samantha Pierce:
It doesn’t make–

David Read:
Your heart doesn’t respond to that. I was also blown away, technically, from that shot with the hand transforming, and I asked John Gajdecki, who was the effects supervisor on set at the time, to pull that off. I was like, “How do you…” That was so seamless. They have the ability in a camera to overlay two shots at the same time. So they would’ve filmed the kid first, and then Rick could go in there and match moment for moment, the hand point for point. When they do the transition and they rotoscope around his hand, or they may not even actually have to rotoscope around his hand, it’s seamless, so that he can become the child and that’s how that effect is done. But I wondered for years how they pulled that off because it’s perfect.

Samantha Pierce:
It’s perfect and it almost literally captures the essence of the moments. In the transition, technically how they did that, it was like they captured the magic itself in that scene. Literally.

David Read:
That’s exactly right. For sure. Let’s watch another one.

Armin Shimerman as Anteaus [clip]:
Rest now. He will leave soon. Take your ways with you.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
No, wait, wait, wait. You saved us.

Armin Shimerman as Antaeus [clip]:
Yes.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
How?

Armin Shimerman as Antaeus [clip]:
Our ways.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
The rules of acquisition, that’s how he did it.

Terry Farrell as Jadzia Dax [clip]:
And as the 34th rule of acquisition states, peace is good for business.

Armin Shimerman as Quark [clip]:
That’s the 35th rule.

David Read:
Great callback.

Samantha Pierce:
Agreed.

David Read:
It’s hard not to see him.

Samantha Pierce:
I couldn’t believe it was him. That was my first Trek character reveal and I was like, “Armin? What?”

David Read:
He’s the first.

Samantha Pierce:
This is really, really cool and it’s one of the most popular alien beings that we have, so everybody loves the Nox.

David Read:
You think so?

Samantha Pierce:
From what I’ve heard.

David Read:
I guess, ’cause you have seen Lya come back in the Tollan episode.

Samantha Pierce:
“Enigma.”

David Read:
Yes, you’re right, “Enigma.” Thank you.

Samantha Pierce:
You’re welcome.

David Read:
Absolutely. A note about the crystal aliens that I wanted to touch on briefly. You said they have a high degree of emotional intelligence and I just want to lay a seed in your head for not even this series. For far into the future, these ones have high emotional intelligence. What if we came across one that was a psychopath? So, let’s plant that seed because it’s gonna be a while before that one comes up. I just want that one to be rattling around in your head for the future. And that I am directly quoting Robert C. Cooper, who does a twist with that, shall we say? So that’s cool. So, you’re a fan of the Nox?

Samantha Pierce:
I am a fan of the Nox. I like them. I think they’re cool. The fact that they’re so technologically advanced that they are now somewhat magical–

David Read:
Indistinguishable to us. For sure.

Samantha Pierce:
Back in the day, we would think anything that was technologically superior that we couldn’t understand was magic. In a sense, to us it seems that way because we cannot understand it. As they say it, “We’re young.”

David Read:
That’s it, exactly. And there are different ways of doing things.

Samantha Pierce:
Exactly. There’s different ways of doing things. Hippies, if you will.

David Read:
That’s it. Brad Wright… No. I’m not gonna get into that. We’ll save that for Season Two. Let’s be sure to bring up the Nox at some point in the future. Let’s do another one.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
What the hell is that?

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Ooh.

James Earl Jones as voice of Unas [clip]:
Jaffa.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
He could talk?

James Earl Jones as voice of Unas [clip]:
I am Unas.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
What?

James Earl Jones as voice of Unas [clip]:
The First One.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
The first of what?

Christopher Judge as Teal’c [clip]:
You do not exist.

James Earl Jones as voice of Unas [clip]:
Kill the human, and we will feast.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Future Sam here. This is the face of me recognizing the voice of the legendary James Earl Jones. But because I knew he would not be in that much special-effects makeup, I completely dismissed it as being him. Not sure why him doing a simple voiceover didn’t cross my mind, but here we are. So don’t come for me too much in the comments. I simply second guess my first mind per usual. All right, that’s all. Back to the reaction. Bye.

Christopher Judge as Teal’c [clip]:
I no longer serve the Goa’uld.

James Earl Jones as voice of Unas [clip]:
We shall see.

Richard Dean Anderson, as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
just stay put right there.

James Earl Jones as voice of Unas [clip]:
Weapons are of no use here.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Come on, get him. He big.

Tyler Perry as Madea [clip]:
And that’s something you’ll never in your life hear a woman say.

David Read:
I’d never listened to this scene with headphones on. You’re whispering in one ear. That was really cute. I love that. Now, that’s a good idea. I’m saving that one for the future. That’s cool. The First One is dead. I watched it for the first time. I did not know it was James Earl Jones at all.

Samantha Pierce:
Oh, really?

David Read:
Very, very cool. I had overlooked the fact that his name had appeared in the credits. I wasn’t looking. I was 14 when I saw this. I was not looking for those kinds of things, so. But that was a favor on behalf of, I think it was Michael Greenburg. And he and Christopher Judge had crossed paths. And if you’d like, that is a story that I have in clip form that I can share with you, because–

Samantha Pierce:
Oh, please.

David Read:
There is a very specific note that Christopher took from James Earl Jones that exists in Teal’c, a very prominent one. And I will send that to you, because it’s– Let’s just say less is more.

Samantha Pierce:
OK, got it. One legendary voice actor to another. I was recently watching some gameplay, and I heard a voice, and I said, “Oh my God. Is that Teal’c?” And it was. It was Kratos. And I was like, “Oh, wow. OK. That’s awesome.”

David Read:
That’s it. Sunny had a great deal of sway in determining who was going to play Kratos, because this was the other guy that Sunny was going to be on set with the entire run of God of War and its sequel. But at the same time, the producers of God of War were huge Stargate fans. Chris will never reveal just how much time was spent going back and forth on whether or not Kratos would say even one “Indeed,” which becomes his signature line later on in the show. He hasn’t really said it yet, but that’s what he’s known for. They couldn’t decide, is he gonna say one, or is he gonna say none? And they eventually did, but it had to land right. A couple years after SG-1 ended, he wasn’t getting work without being recognized for Teal’c, and he resented that. And once he got Kratos and he had a chance to step back from Teal’c and inhabit this other character, he began to have a different perspective in terms of his attachment to the character. It was Kratos that really let Christopher fall in love with Teal’c again. And it’s one of the reasons that I’ve gotten the chance to know him so well, because we produced a series together for an online version of MGM retrospective interviews. It’s called Dialing Home, and it was a part of Stargate Command, which was a– You pay for access to this thing, 20 bucks a year. You got a free T-shirt, you got access to Stargate Origins, the film that they were working on, and all kinds of things. It was a great period of my life.

Samantha Pierce:
You’re a big deal.

David Read:
Nah, I’m not. I’m a nobody. But it was a cool project, so let’s take a look at another one.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
All right. He’s not really gone, is he gonna have to make his own way back? ‘Cause they said they’re not going back there. Huh. Alien

Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson [clip]:
Daniel Jackson. You?

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Are they underwater?

David Read:
Yes.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
It’s giving Old Gregg. “I’m Old Gregg.”

Julian Barratt as Howard Moon [clip]:
Who are you?

Noel Fielding as Old Gregg [clip]:
I’m Old Gregg. Pleased to meet ya.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
“You ever drank Bailey’s from a shoe?”

David Read:
OK. What does that mean? I don’t understand the reference. Please help me. What is that?

Samantha Pierce:
So, the clip that I inserted was this character named Old Gregg. And it was this viral show. I can’t even remember what it came on, but it was everywhere at the time and super viral. Maybe from 15 years ago? I’m not really sure. But Old Gregg, he’s this monster, this old swamp monster man that lives in the sea. And he loves the funk and he drinks Bailey’s from a shoe, and he wants to know if you love him.

David Read:
Geez. There you go, man. Hey, absolutely. So, is a part of your shtick looking for aliens? Is that why you had the DiCaprio meme?

Samantha Pierce:
Whenever I see them, I’m excited. As soon as I saw him that’s my first thought. And the crazy thing is, with the memes, people are like, “How do you even come up with the memes?” And I’m like, “I don’t. I just record and then I watch it.”

David Read:
They arrive.

Samantha Pierce:
Yes. If the spirit of a meme hits me and it comes to my mind, then I go looking for it and I put it on there, and if it fits, I keep it.

David Read:
That’s it. If shoe fits, drinking out of it or no. Absolutely. You’ve actually seen that actor before in SG-1 earlier on. Does it ring any bells, the voice? “They are the Touched. They live in the Land of the Dark.”

Samantha Pierce:
Oh my God, that’s him?

David Read:
That’s Tuplo.

Samantha Pierce:
What?

David Read:
“Yes, my lord.”

Samantha Pierce:
What?

David Read:
Gerard Plunkett. Yep.

Samantha Pierce:
Wow. OK, that’s cool.

David Read:
Good makeup job.

Samantha Pierce:
Yes, that’s really cool. And it’s tough to sit there and get all that makeup on, but–

David Read:
That’s it. You put makeup on for this show. There’s no makeup here. It’s tough regardless.

Samantha Pierce:
But, whew, I know it’s hard to do that, so this takes a special kinda actor to do that. Shout out to Jeffrey Combs. He’s done it a million times on Trek.

David Read:
A million characters.

Samantha Pierce:
We appreciate it.

David Read:
Man. The next episode that you picked is my favorite from Season One, and it is my favorite Teal’c episode. So, let’s have a look.

David McNally as Hanno [clip]:
Jaffa. Hold it.

Amanda Tapping as Samantha Carter [clip]:
You don’t know him. He’s peaceful. Tell him you’re peaceful, Teal’c.

Christopher Judge as Teal’c [clip]:
It is true.

David McNally as Hanno [clip]:
He lies. I know him.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
How?

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
What do you mean?

David McNally as Hanno [clip]:
This Jaffa killed my father.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
We interrupt this program to bring you the stages of grief, presented by Model On Screen. I don’t believe it. No Teal’c slander will be tolerated here. OK? So, you’re gonna have to prove it. Even though it could possibly very much so be true. He was a Jaffa, so you know what I’m saying? But I’m still with Teal’c, OK? The MVP. OK? He’s the MVP.

David McNally as Hanno [clip]:
You would save those who wish to kill you?

Christopher Judge as Teal’c [clip]:
I would save those who deserve to live.

David McNally as Hanno [clip]:
I made a mistake. My memory was faulty. You are not the same man as he who murdered my father.

Christopher Judge as Teal’c [clip]:
I am the one.

David McNally as Hanno [clip]:
No. That Jaffa is dead.

David Read:
Shut up, dude

David McNally as Hanno [clip]:
You have killed him. I suggest you take your friend home.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Ah, yay. I’m so glad it turned out this way.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
We can help you defend yourselves.

David McNally as Hanno [clip]:
We would appreciate that.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Good job, Teal’c.

David Read:
I love this episode. It is …

Samantha Pierce:
It’s such a good one.

David Read:
… a good one. I don’t want to diminish your expectations of Teal’c episodes going forward, but sooner or later, this was bound to happen. The writer for this episode, a guy by the name of Tom J. Astle, came on Dial the Gate. It is a model episode, in my opinion, of a show that I would love to have with one-off writers, because we talked for an hour in depth about this hour of television. And this is easily in my top five of episodes that I’ve done. He goes through Hanno’s perspective. SG-1 brings everything to bear in attempting to defeat him in their court of law, or its nearest equivalent, and he counters them point-for-point. Rationally, with a cool head. I may just have to send that one to you because it’s pretty self-contained, that interview. It’s Tom J. Astle, folks, and I don’t know the number exactly off the top of my head. You know what? I have got Google. So, let me see here. Because it’s a good one. It is …

Samantha Pierce:
I definitely want to see that.

David Read:
… Episode 267. It’s a great script. And it’s one of those things where Teal’c was willing to die just to settle this one slight. And don’t get me wrong, it’s a big one. But it’s one of those things where he has said he has done far worse. What did you think of “Cor-ai?”

Samantha Pierce:
I loved “Cor-ai.” Teal’c is my fave, so a Teal’c-centered episode, I’m all here for. And this one was just shocking to me because I didn’t expect it to go in the direction it did. It turned really quick into being– I was like, “OK, this is a court-based episode; defend yourself.” And we’ve seen those before. I was so proud of Teal’c because it really showed the reason why I love him as a character this far into the series. He is such a noble person and he–

David Read:
Honorable.

Samantha Pierce:
Honorable, exactly. And he was really willing to make the sacrifice to pay penance, to make up for what he did. We were all trying to break him out or fight for him not to be killed. And I get it, we don’t want to see Teal’c die. But his way was the right way, and him actually sitting to go through it to take responsibility for what he did and to not deny it, that was the right way. And ultimately that is what got him out of it. And it just shows why we love Teal’c so much. The acting, the scene was–

David Read:
The scene with the two of them in the courtroom when they’re alone. “Why are you doing this?”

Samantha Pierce:
Yes. “Why are you doing this?” One, the lip quiver, it was good. But then the conversation, O’Neill was talking to Teal’c, but he was trying to defend himself as well. If you look at the dialogue, he’s having an internal dialogue with himself saying, “Well, I’ve done bad things. I’ve done things that match up and line up to what Teal’c has done. I’ve done things for my country. I’ve followed–”

David Read:
“And I’ve been forced to do some damn distasteful things. I will not allow them to sacrifice my friend.”

Samantha Pierce:
Exactly. And he was having an internal battle with himself, like, “Oh my gosh, OK. I’m responsible for the things that I’ve done. It’s not orders, I’ve done things too,” and you could see it happening in his mind and the acting in that was amazing. It was amazing.

David Read:
Do you know why you feel so strongly about O’Neill in that? It is secretly an O’Neill episode, according to the writer.

Samantha Pierce:
Really?

David Read:
Because Tom was using Teal’c as a lever for O’Neill confronting his demons about what he’s done. So, in reality, beneath the surface, according to Tom Astle, it’s O’Neill who’s on trial with himself dealing with this, because if Teal’c has to accept responsibility for the damn distasteful things, so does Jack.

Samantha Pierce:
So does– And I got that in that scene.

David Read:
That’s why it’s a brilliant hour of TV. Also interestingly, the Byrsa were once technological. They abandoned technology and became something more pure again. It was a B or a C plot that was cut for time. I don’t even think that they shot it. They may have. Where Daniel’s walking around the village and he sees remnants of what could arguably be an old radio, like a Byrsa radio, and he’s like, “What is this?” “Well, we’re using it to cook out of. We don’t know.” They lost it over time, but the ideas of their society, of the agrarian society stayed because they were once technological. It was very much akin to “Devil’s Due,” one of my favorite episodes of TNG, Ardra’s planet, Ventax II. Except they were far more technological. They didn’t regress to that level of an agrarian base after they abandoned their industries. But it’s the same kind of idea. It’s just a great episode.

Samantha Pierce:
That’s a really cool– I wish they would have kept that.

David Read:
There wasn’t enough time.

Samantha Pierce:
It adds another layer to it.

David Read:
And there’s actually— They’re called tags. The show does not have tags very often where we go back to Earth and we have the, “What did we learn from our experience?” episode. There are a ton of them in Trek. There are very, very few in Stargate. Often when the climax is resolved, it cuts. There’s a couple of lines, one or two small beats, and then it ends. So, be prepared for that. But I’ll let folks go and watch Tom Astle, and I’ll send it to you as well, because he explains the conversation that the two of them have in the tag when they’re back at SGC. I think Teal’c’s in the med bay recovering. Because he’s still beat up from his injuries. He took a shot for those folks, so. Are you good on time?

Samantha Pierce:
I’m good.

David Read:
All right. Let’s watch more. We’re getting there.

Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson [clip]:
What if there’s a second Stargate here? What if this energy surge caused the wormhole to jump from one Stargate to another here.

Don S. Davis as General Hammond [clip]:
On Earth?

Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson [clip]:
Yes.

Don S. Davis as General Hammond [clip]:
Teal’c, would the Goa’uld have put more than one Stargate on Earth?

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
What?

Christopher Judge as Teal’c [clip]:
If the first became lost to them, it is possible.

Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson [clip]:
But remember, the one that Ra put here might not have been the first. The Goa’uld didn’t build the Stargate system.

Don S. Davis as General Hammond [clip]:
Then where is it?

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
What? No. Wait, are they on Earth? Maybe they’re on Earth. They’re on Earth. That’s why they can’t dial to Earth, because they’re on Earth. Stop. No. That’s gotta be it. That’s gotta be it.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
It’s cold.

Amanda Tapping as Samantha Carter [clip]:
I know. You can sleep now.

Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson [clip]:
Sam, come on. She’s gonna be OK. You’re gonna be OK.

Christopher Judge as Teal’c [clip]:
As is Colonel O’Neill

Don S. Davis as General Hammond [clip]:
Let’s get them in the chopper.

Amanda Tapping as Samantha Carter [clip]:
You came through the Stargate for us.

Don S. Davis as General Hammond [clip]:
Not exactly, Captain.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Gate number two. We got a second Gate. We got a second Gate.

David Read:
What happens when you dial your own phone number? Wrong person to ask. What happens when you dial your own phone number?

Samantha Pierce:
That was such a funny line. But what a great episode. The reveals are the best part. I did not see that coming. The whole time I’m like, “What’s happening? What’s going on? Why…? Where are we? And how are we gonna find them?” And for them to–

David Read:
Why is it not working?

Samantha Pierce:
Why is it not working? And for them to be on Earth the whole time, crazy, but then the funny part is when Sam goes up there and she’s like, “It’s an ice planet.” I’m like, you would think that. And then it gave me a perspective of anywhere we go, wherever we land or pop up, we would think the whole place is like this. But realistically, our planet is different in all different hemispheres, in all different continents, so why would it be different on a different planet?

David Read:
But you’re only dealing with the locals, and generally speaking, the locals are far less technologically advanced, so we don’t really deal with a lot farther afield. There are some episodes though where we do. So, it’s a fantastic point, for sure. What do you think about the nature of the Stargates and where they came from? What are your thoughts on that? I guess part of that is what do you know at this point? ‘Cause I’m trying to remember up to 208, all of that lining up.

Samantha Pierce:
One of my other theories that I had when we got the Thor reveal was, we know that this technology is not the Goa’uld’s.

David Read:
That’s correct.

Samantha Pierce:
That Asgardian ship showed up really quickly when it needed to.

David Read:
Yep, the Beliskner, yes.

Samantha Pierce:
I thought that maybe one of the reasons, if my Ra theory wasn’t correct, that the Goa’uld stole all their tech. And that’s why they’re upset.

David Read:
So you think the Stargate is Asgard?

Samantha Pierce:
Yeah.

David Read:
It’s possible.

Samantha Pierce:
That was my other theory. My theory was either they came and possessed a lot of their people and that’s why they were upset, or they stole their tech. Maybe they were friendly to them at some point or thought they were friendly and they came to their planet and took all their tech. That was my other theory.

David Read:
OK. That’s a very astute observation. We will absolutely see. But that may not be the last time you see Antarctica. Or the Beta Stargate, as it’s called, because now we have two of them. And as you can imagine, that comes with its own strategic advantages. And it can be very dangerous with another one.

Samantha Pierce:
OK.

David Read:
Especially if–

Samantha Pierce:
I really hope so. I really hope so. I thought that was such a cool addition, a second Gate. That was such a cool thing to add to the storyline, because why wouldn’t there be multiple Gates? That makes sense.

David Read:
If one had become lost.

Samantha Pierce:
If one had become lost, build another, or move another. So that was cool. And one of the things about this episode that a lot of people brought up and I didn’t even think about, but why didn’t Sam just dial a safe planet to another Gate?

David Read:
Dialing home …

Samantha Pierce:
That made me think.

David Read:
… had never been a problem before. So it wouldn’t have occurred to her. Also, she’s recognizing that this thing is very old. It’s actually one of the oldest Stargates in the entire network. So she’s right about that.

Samantha Pierce:
OK.

David Read:
Eventually this DHD will die. Its power cell is so old. When you have a chance to dial a loved one, are you really gonna take a shot dialing someone that you’re not that close to when you’re in a life-or-death situation?

Samantha Pierce:
That’s true. Especially if she was thinking–

David Read:
But I see what you’re saying.

Samantha Pierce:
Especially if she’s thinking, “I may not have that much power left. I may only have this one, maybe two chances to actually dial to this place.”

David Read:
That’s it.

Samantha Pierce:
“Let me dial home.”

David Read:
That’s it.

Samantha Pierce:
That makes sense.

David Read:
The Stargate has its own capacitor. It has a crystalline interior for memory storage. But it also has the ability to gather power from a number of different sources, including sunlight. But it’s under the ground, so there’s no way for them to charge it. You might be able to hook it up to a car and rev it for a really long time. That might work. But there’s no way to get it charged, so it has a couple of jumps and then that’s it. The DHD can also power it to a degree, but if the DHD is just as old, you’re dealing with stuff that’s just not gonna last. So, I could go on and on talking about Stargate theory, because one of the things that’s actually really interesting about the show is it occasionally has episodes, as you would expect, where the plot is intrinsically linked to how the Stargate works. Rob Cooper talked about the fact that early on when they were doing the show, there were a lot of questions out there in terms of the audience: what does the Stargate do? And they had to make it clear pretty soon the things that it did do and the things that it didn’t do. It wasn’t a time portal. It was a space portal. You would go in real time to another part of the galaxy or another part of the universe. But if it does have issues, when they do introduce other things that it does, and it will eventually do other things, it had to be because of certain reasons. They were very careful when saying, “OK, if we’re gonna let it do this, if we’re gonna do this for this story, it now does that permanently going forward. And not only that, but it has to make sense considering what we’ve already done.”

Samantha Pierce:
Makes sense.

David Read:
Exactly.

Samantha Pierce:
Sam explained that a little bit in “There But For the Grace of God” as well, because we were talking about how they–

David Read:
We’ve never seen it go alternate dimensions.

Samantha Pierce:
Exactly. She explained it to give us that framework of, no, this is how it actually works.

David Read:
That’s it, exactly. I don’t know if we have a clip from– I don’t think we do, but what did you think of “There But For the Grace of God?” What’d you think of Catherine coming back, and what did you think was going on?

Samantha Pierce:
I immediately guessed alternate reality. I was like, mirrorverse.

David Read:
Exactly.

Samantha Pierce:
Mirrorverse episode.

David Read:
No one’s in mustaches, though.

Samantha Pierce:
No, and I did see the scar on O’Neill. And I was like, “Oh, scar, evil O’Neill.” But he wasn’t evil.

David Read:
OK, that’s a good point. That’s actually an RDA scar that I forget what episode they give it. I think that they’ve done it by now. Maybe it’s in Season Two. But that’s, I think, a hockey injury, and they’ve always filled it in until they get to a certain episode and they’re like, “OK, this is the one where he gets the scar.” Then they allow him to wear it for the rest of the show. Someone asked you… DinnerBeef wants to know: Sam, what did you think of the way SG-1 did the clip show with Ronny Cox, Edward, Captain Jellico? What’d you think?

Samantha Pierce:
Yes.

David Read:
Wasn’t he good?

Samantha Pierce:
So, I definitely recognized him. I was like, “I know him. I know him from Star Trek. I know him.”

David Read:
That’s him.

Samantha Pierce:
I made it clear, I’m not a fan of clip episodes. For me, I’m just like, “You’re showing me stuff I’ve already seen. Let’s get to more of the plot point.” And I said that. But the writers, they did amazing with this episode, because they really gave us a storyline. It fit directly into a whole serial story that we were already in, so it fit perfectly. And then, when they bring in the government, the government shills, they really hit us with the–

David Read:
We lose. We lose.

Samantha Pierce:
Every single time. I immediately was like, “I don’t like him. I know he’s not– He doesn’t have our back.”

David Read:
He doesn’t like us.

Samantha Pierce:
When you don’t like a character, they’re doing their job. That means they wrote them really well. And he, that actor, he does amazing with not liking him as a character. Ronny Cox. Yep.

David Read:
Rulers, dictators of Mars, Dick Jones, it doesn’t matter. He’s the arch-villain in RoboCop. There’s a lot there to mine with Ronny Cox. And Senator Kinsey was a favorite. And looking back, you’re right. “Politics” is part two of a four-part story. “There Before the Grace of God,” …

Samantha Pierce:
It is.

David Read:
… “Politics,” “Within the Serpent’s Grasp,” and “The Serpent’s Lair.” And that’s not the only time that Stargate will do that, which is one of the advantages that they had when they started production. They had a four-season order from Showtime. They had 80 episodes. And before, I think, the first shot went to camera, they had a fifth season order. That was very strange. So they had the ability to really give a gradual progression of downs–we’re Americans here–and then touchdown, this is awesome. So, as an audience, we really got to relish in that, and it works. ‘Cause “Politics,” it should be boring as hell, but the stakes are so high, and at the end of it, we lose. So we come away really licking our wounds from that and being like– We did see some clips, it was a clip show, but you’re exactly right. The plot was there. And that’s how you do a good clip show.

Samantha Pierce:
The plot was there. It was its own story within itself, and we got introduced to another character. They did a really, really good job.

David Read:
Absolutely. Don wants to know, have you begun learning or understanding any of the Goa’uld language yet? Still pretty early days for you.

Samantha Pierce:
No. Not really. I definitely wanna get into it. Do you mean like the, “Jaffa, kree?”

David Read:
“Kree. Kree.”

Samantha Pierce:
Yeah. Stuff like that, even some of those terms, I’ve been saying them when I hear them, for sure.

David Read:
What do you think kree means?

Samantha Pierce:
I have no idea.

David Read:
You can kinda infer. “Jaffa, kree.”

Samantha Pierce:
Maybe. I have no idea.

David Read:
It means a lot of things. But one of them is attention.

Samantha Pierce:
Is it like a call to action?

David Read:
Not necessarily. It means like five or six different things, but it really is, “Hey, I’m talking to you.” That’s its chief thing. It can mean be still. They’re very flexible with ‘kree.’ But there is a …

Samantha Pierce:
It means multiple things.

David Read:
… great scene coming up at some point here about ‘kree.’ But yes, it technically does. It also means yoo-hoo. Awesome. Let’s have another look at another clip, if that’s cool?

Samantha Pierce:
Yeah, let’s do it.

David Read:
All righty.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
A new Goa’uld.

Peter Williams as Apophis [clip]:
[Speaking Goa’uld], Jaffa.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Apophis.

Peter Williams as Apophis [clip]:
I will rejoin you as we come out of the shadows.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Tsk. Punk ass.

Peter Williams as Apophis [clip]:
You are to follow all orders of my son as if they were my own.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
So, we got a new one.

Peter Williams as Apophis [clip]:
The mighty warrior, Klorel.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Klorel?

Alexis Cruz as Klorel [clip]:
[Speaking Goa’uld], Jaffa.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
So, another young one like Ra?

David Read:
Let’s sit on that for a minute. What’s going through your head?

Samantha Pierce:
Just hurt. I can’t believe it.

David Read:
Really?

Samantha Pierce:
Automatically in my mind, I’m like, “We’re gonna have to take him out.”

David Read:
Dude keeps on boning us with the daggers in, and he’s twisting.

Samantha Pierce:
The relationship between O’Neill and Skaara, to me, it’s almost like a son-father relationship, the way I see it.

David Read:
Put a pin in that. Put a pin in that. You did not pick this one for me, I picked this one, so let’s see where this goes. We know where this goes, but for you.

Alexis Cruz as Klorel [clip]:
[Speaking Goa’uld], Apophis.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
No.

Alexis Cruz as Klorel [clip]:
[Speaking Goa’uld] Klorel.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
No. Oh my God. Oh my God. This is messed up.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
He called him his son. That’s sick.

David Read:
I think Jack agrees with you.

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
In the shoulder or something?

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
Skaara!

Samantha Pierce [clip]:
Are you serious now?

Alexis Cruz as Skaara [clip]:
O’Neill.

Richard Dean Anderson as Jack O’Neill [clip]:
Skaara. I’m sorry.

Samantha Pierce:
It sucks. It sucks so bad.

David Read:
So, pray continue.

Samantha Pierce:
How much more can Jack take? Does he have to keep reliving these same sort of experiences? Why did Jack have to be the one that had to shoot?

David Read:
That’s not the last time that that happens either. Ugh.

Samantha Pierce:
It’s terrible.

David Read:
The answer is, Sam, because.

Samantha Pierce:
No.

David Read:
From a writer perspective, it has to be him. And that will not be the last time that I say that to you on this channel, if we do more of these. A, it’s storytelling, but B, it’s good storytelling. There are times in life where, whether we like it or not, we do say, “Why me?” And the answer is, because you exist. And I think that that’s where good storytelling really fills in a lot of those moments of lack of meaning in life, because life is sometimes just shit.

Samantha Pierce:
Especially for Jack.

David Read:
That’s it. Heck of an ending.

Samantha Pierce:
That was a hard one. Amazing. I love this episode as well. The reveal of it being Skaara, the ickiness of him saying, “My son,” Apophis saying that, just, a lot. And even the scene where Skaara comes through the first time…

David Read:
It’s possible.

Samantha Pierce:
He’s like, “OK, he’s still there. You can break through.” That gave me hope with the whole Kendra thing, and then also with Sha’re. So I’m like, “It’s possible.”

David Read:
He’s lost in a nightmare.

Samantha Pierce:
Exactly. And when he’s like, “Are you still my friend?” Oh my God.

David Read:
Then, “Can you forgive us for what we’re about to do?”

Samantha Pierce:
“Can you forgive us?”

David Read:
Ooh. He knows where he’s going.

Samantha Pierce:
He knows. So, he’s aware of everything, and I felt so bad for him.

David Read:
For sure. Absolutely. A little fun fact for you. Skaara was not meant to survive the collision of the motherships.

Samantha Pierce:
No. He’s the only one we have from the movie.

David Read:
Sha’re’s still out there. Kasuf is still potentially out there.

Samantha Pierce:
Actor-wise.

David Read:
That’s true. Brad talked about this in a special feature, where effects saved them in that they had planned to kill Skaara with the destruction of the motherships hitting one another. I don’t know if they shot the footage or not. He may have died off-screen. But what happened was Brad and company looked at a lot of the feedback online, they were like, “We can’t kill him off. We should not do this. This is not a good–” Even that early on, they were seeing it. And they had a shot of Alexis against a blue screen, and they composited him in with Peter Williams in the rings, and that is how Skaara lived.

Samantha Pierce:
I’m glad they did that, because killing Skaara was not a good idea.

David Read:
That’s it.

Samantha Pierce:
Not a good idea.

David Read:
Skaara eventually comes back in an episode that was for a long time my favorite in the canon. A long time. Written by a writer named Katherine Powers, who was a friend of mine before we lost her. There is some good Stargate heading your way, for sure. You also find out that there’s another ally who’s on board the ship, a certain very, very old Jaffa. You already saw that.

Samantha Pierce:
Yes.

David Read:
Very cool.

Samantha Pierce:
I love him too, our friend Bra’tac.

David Read:
Tony Amendola. Master Bra’tac. This has been a treat, Sam. I hope you have enjoyed this. Any takeaways for Season One?

Samantha Pierce:
I am enjoying the ride. I’m loving the journey. Honestly, I’m excited that there’s so many seasons and movies. And this community has been absolutely amazing. They have embraced me, and I appreciate it. I’m loving the show, loving the characters, loving the stories so far. I cannot wait to see where it goes. Everyone’s telling me when I get to Season Three, it really takes off. I cannot wait to see that. But for now, I am definitely enjoying myself.

David Read:
My favorite season is Four. Star Trek: Voyager’s fourth season is my favorite. Everyone has their favorite season, for sure. But there’s some banger episodes in Three. Season Two holds arguably one of the most important scenes in the entire franchise. I put out a survey a few weeks ago. Joel Goldsmith, the composer, Jerry Goldsmith’s son, composed this Star Trek anthem from Motion Picture and The Next Generation. This episode coming up for you is probably my favorite movement of his from SG-1, and it’s a species theme. You’ve already heard it. You probably didn’t pay attention to it because it’s very subtle. But there’s an episode coming up very soon that is the– I asked fandom, I said, “What’s the single most important scene in the franchise?” And it’s coming up for you fairly soon, and once you hit it, if you think you’ve found it, message me and let me know what you think about it, because it’s one of those things I’ve always said Stargate is chicken soup. It is profound. It is human, and it makes us get in touch with the best parts of ourselves, and it makes us stare into the abyss of our souls sometimes as well. And when the abyss stares back, it’s not necessarily a good thing, ’cause you can get lost. You can lose yourself in it. But there’s some good Stargate coming your way. I’m really excited for you. You are sitting in front of the Christmas tree, my dear. And you’ve only just unwrapped one of your gifts, and you’ve got a lot of gifts to go. I’m really excited for you. And this was great, Sam. This was really cool.

Samantha Pierce:
Thank you. It was so nice meeting you and talking to you today. I cannot wait to see the episode that you’re talking about. You might have to tell me which one so I can be–

David Read:
No, I’m not.

Samantha Pierce:
No? No? OK, OK.

David Read:
Not gonna happen.

Samantha Pierce:
I’ll wait.

David Read:
‘Cause I didn’t see it coming. You’re a smart girl. There were a couple that I added. Track is being put down in front of this moving train, and your instincts are dead on. ‘Cause you’re a Star Trek, so you get it. You have an appreciation for more than average complex storytelling. There is a world that’s being unveiled here. There are races with hundreds upon thousands upon millions of years of history. The Stargate in Antarctica is millions of years old. So, it’s been there for quite a while. It’s been there through ice shifts, through countless– When the Stargate was originally there, Antarctica was a jungle. So, it’s been subsumed and spat back out, and there’s a lot there, literally and figuratively. If I may quote a character, I will tell you this: “Your journey is just beginning.” And I’m privileged to have you come on and share this chapter, this first chapter, with us. And I can’t wait to sit down with you and talk about the second one, because there’s gonna be a lot to–particularly about this– there’s gonna be a lot to mine and to talk about. How fast–

Samantha Pierce:
This has been great.

David Read:
This has been great. How often do you watch?

Samantha Pierce:
I cannot wait. I try to do one to two episodes a week that I watch. So that’s why the patrons have it earlier. But I’m hoping to get done with Season Two maybe by May, June-ish, something like that. If I can get done–

David Read:
If you’re doing two per week, yeah.

Samantha Pierce:
On Patreon, I’ll be done, so we can probably come on here and talk about it then. On YouTube–

David Read:
No, I’ll let it be your call, because this is a business for you, and this is your strategy. I want it to be fresh, so you tell me when you’re gonna hit it and we’ll have you back, because I can’t wait to hear your thoughts. You let me know once you’ve wrapped up with the Season Two finale. And we will schedule it in advance, ’cause you can plan that out. One of the great things about the way that you’re doing it is you’re not binging, and so you have the time and the ability to process the images that are being thrown at you. And the show is gonna stick for you far more than it will someone who’s mowing it down on Netflix. It will mean to you what it meant to me, and what it meant to many of us as we watched it on the air. Because you’ll have the time to properly digest the ideas, the thoughts, the quotable moments, and the music, and all of it. And there’s something to be said for what you’re doing in terms of taking your time, ’cause people don’t these days. Everything is McDonald’s culture. It’s really cool that you’ve set this thing aside and it’s like, “This is gonna be sacred time. We’re gonna spend our time with it. We’re gonna set it aside once it’s done. Oh my God, I don’t know what happened. We’ll find out next week, folks.” And that’s just how you’re gonna do it. And that’s cool.

Samantha Pierce:
I am a recovering binge-watcher. Thus far, Stargate has definitely paced me. I have appreciated it, because I don’t have any friends that are as nerdy as me and love sci-fi and all that stuff. So I don’t have anybody to talk to about all of this stuff. The closest …

David Read:
You do now.

Samantha Pierce:
… person I have is my mom. I get my love of sci-fi from her. She’s the first Trekkie. Her man is Kirk, James T. Kirk.

David Read:
Where is she? Is she here in the States?

Samantha Pierce:
She’s in the States. She’s in California. She’s probably in California now.

David Read:
She’s in Cali. Aw. Hi, Mom. Hi, Mom. Aw. No, that’s great.

Samantha Pierce:
I definitely get it from her. But for sure, I have been pacing myself. Being able to have conversations about each one of the episodes is amazing for me, because sometimes other people will pick up on things that I didn’t pick up on myself. And even though I am watching it, I’m still editing the episodes.

David Read:
That’s right.

Samantha Pierce:
I’m getting to see things over and over that typically you wouldn’t. It’s been amazing.

David Read:
Let me ask you this. I’m interested to see if this happens to you in Season Two. Have you gotten to the end of one and been like, “I want to watch this again”?

Samantha Pierce:
Yes.

David Read:
Which one? Or have you thought like, “Yes, I’ve had the instinct, but I haven’t had the time?”

Samantha Pierce:
Several of them. The finale episode, I watched it again. The “Cold Lazarus” one, I watched it again. “The Enemy–,” several of them, honestly. And it’s very easy for me because I’ll watch it and then I’ll say, “Let me hurry up and get this on Patreon,” and then I’ll watch it again because I’m like, “OK, this was good.” I need to watch it and see what did I miss.

David Read:
The other thing about it is, there’s a character who says at one point, “Cameras don’t just film things. They change what they’re filming simply by being there.” It’s a line from the show. A very important character to me. And it’s true. What you are doing, I don’t think I could do. When SG4 comes out, a lot of folks have already asked me, “You gonna watch it live with us?” And I mean, I pick my nose. I scratch myself. I don’t know if I could sit there and do that. In that case, it would be real time. I would know that I was being watched and I couldn’t let myself go in it. And on top of that, you are a brand. You’re creating content. You are fully on that entire time that you’re producing this thing. And it’s not like you’re faking any gestures or anything like that, but you have to be aware that you’re on. And I do prefer to watch a show that makes me sit up and take notice rather than sit back and unplug my brain. I watch television to plug in like this. A movie like Annihilation or Arrival, oh my God, I’m plugged in. But I don’t know if I could be on camera for that. That’s where you and I differ. I don’t think I could do it. That’s tough.

Samantha Pierce:
It’s easy for me. It would be nice to share that with other people and sit down and watch these shows with other people, but I don’t have that. But when I am recording, I literally treat the camera as my whole community of people. And I always say we’re watching it together. And that’s how I feel. Several times, I’ll look like, “Are you seeing this?” Because that’s the feeling that I’m having. But I keep it as authentic as possible on the camera. I curse. You showed the clip. I cry. It’s different. I’ve never done this before. I’ve done content in other ways, like beauty content. But nothing like this where I’m actually reacting to something, so it’s new for me. But I’m thoroughly enjoying it and it feels like I’m watching a show with a whole community of friends, literally.

David Read:
Do you have a Patreon tier that allows them to watch as you watch in real time?

Samantha Pierce:
Not the show. I do have a Patreon tier where I do episode reviews. Once the episode’s up, sit down, get on, talk about the episode, especially the big reveal, big lore episodes. And we do watch parties for other things, like movies and stuff that we’ve already seen. We’re doing TOS right now. We’re gonna go through all of Trek.

David Read:
Awesome.

Samantha Pierce:
So we do watch parties for that. And we have a lot of fun.

David Read:
You’re gonna be a fan until you’re 50. Man, if I were in your position, I would consider setting up a tier because I know there are a few in my audience who would probably pay to watch you watch it in real time. We have a sister channel called Wormhole X-Tremists. And I have a couple of gals, one from London and one from Perth, Australia, and we do re-watches of the show. And right now we’re at SG-1 Season Eight and Atlantis Season One, and we do two a week, and it’s a big party of us and 50 people. And the advantage of that is we’re not on camera, but our voices are. The chat feed and us, we’re kind of the peanut gallery. And if something interesting comes along that they have to say, we’re in a position where we can submit that on there. But this is a very different format because this is all you. In terms of letting folks see you in real time watch this thing, obviously it would have to be another consideration because you would have to be like, “OK, I don’t have time to do this one now. I can put this off another night.” Whereas, with that, it would be, “OK, I’ve set this time ahead of time,” either consistently or, “Hey guys, it’s gonna be here. You miss it, you miss it.” But there are options. You’re just getting started with this thing, so see how that goes.

Samantha Pierce:
That’s something I can definitely consider. The only thing is I would wanna be in the chat and I wouldn’t want the chat to distract me from–

David Read:
No, you wouldn’t have to. You wouldn’t wanna have it on. You would need a moderator. This has been great. Anything else that you want to bring up before we let you go? Anything else that I missed? This was a great conversation. I wanna hit all the points that you wanted to cover.

Samantha Pierce:
No, I think we pretty much got into the gist of everything. This has been great and I absolutely wanna do this again. If we can do this for every season, that would be great.

David Read:
I would love to do this for every season.

Samantha Pierce:
Maybe even, “Oh, my God. This episode was amazing. Let’s talk about it.”

David Read:
OK. All right. I rescind my previous thought.

Samantha Pierce:
But let me know.

David Read:
OK. When you finish with “The Fifth Race,” schedule it so that you and I can immediately come on and talk. You let me know …

Samantha Pierce:
OK. That’s the episode?

David Read:
… when that’s going to be.

Samantha Pierce:
“The Fifth Race?”

David Read:
I showed that clip from the episode that we just saw of Ernest Littlefield and Catherine Langford, and the pedestal and the carvings on the wall. Remember the one with the molecules on the ceiling …

Samantha Pierce:
Yes.

David Read:
… that we just saw? “The Torment of Tantalus.”

Samantha Pierce:
“The Torment of Tantalus.”

David Read:
How many alien languages were there?

Samantha Pierce:
Were there seven?

David Read:
How many were represented? There were four.

Samantha Pierce:
There were four. I called that the Federation of Planets.

David Read:
United Nations of the Stars is what I was calling it.

Samantha Pierce:
The United Nations of the Stars.

David Read:
You plot these out, and I will put it on the board here, and when you finish with “The Fifth Race,” give yourself about 10 minutes to digest it, and then come on and we’ll talk.

Samantha Pierce:
OK. Let’s do it.

David Read:
That’s the episode.

Samantha Pierce:
That’s the episode. All right. I’m looking forward to it. That’s in Season Two, right?

David Read:
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Pierce:
OK. Ooh, I’m excited.

David Read:
So, you’re doing it two a week. You’re probably gonna hit it within a month, around there. So, let’s plan on that. We’ll put a pin in it, and I’ll see you then, and we’ll just talk about that one, and then we’ll come back after some hippie adventures and some other shenanigans. We’ll have you back for the end of Season Two. So, I’ll see you next for “The Fifth Race.” That sound good?

Samantha Pierce:
That sounds good.

David Read:
Where can we find you on Patreon? What’s your handle?

Samantha Pierce:
Patreon.com/modelonscreen. You can find me there. Sign up for any one of the tiers or just a free member. We have so much fun over there.

David Read:
“Bra’tac is my babe.” I’m sorry, I cut you off. Please say again.

Samantha Pierce:
No, you’re good. Bra’tac is back, baby.

David Read:
Back baby. I see. I thought I saw, “Bra’tac is my babe.”

Samantha Pierce:
I love Bra’tac though.

David Read:
So do I, I guess.

David Read:
That Freudian slip.

Samantha Pierce:
No, you’re good. We’re on Season Two, Episode Eight so far, and any Firefly fans, I have started that as well, so you can head over there and start the series with me before I post the first premiere episode on YouTube.

David Read:
Awesome, Sam. What do you think of Firefly?

Samantha Pierce:
Firefly is great. I can’t wait to see what the community is like, but the little bit that I’m getting in regards to the story for River and Simon is really good. It’s really good. And I have some theories about that as well.

David Read:
I’ve only seen it once, and it’s been, gosh, 20 years. I think that that’s– I’m due for a rewatch with that. I wanna show it to my folks. It’s a brilliant show, and there are several Firefly cast who make their way into Stargate, but–

Samantha Pierce:
That’s fun.

David Read:
… one is a main cast member.

Samantha Pierce:
That’s fun.

Samantha Pierce:
I love Gina Torres. That’s my girl.

David Read:
She is good. Absolutely. Her and Alan were fantastic. “I’m a leaf on the wind.”

Samantha Pierce:
They’re great. I ship them, but that’s not gonna happen, I don’t think. She’s married.

David Read:
No.

Samantha Pierce:
No, she’s married.

David Read:
That’s true. For sure. So, we will agree to meet for “Fifth Race,” and you let me know when you’ve got that organized, and we will make it happen. So, the information for your YouTube page is in the description below, along with the Patreon, and this has been a treat. I apologize for taking so long to respond to your initial message. The SG4 news, after that that came out, I was caught in the middle of it, so I was a bit– I was sending out messages to people, and it’s like, “I do need to get back to that.” So thank you for being patient with me.

Samantha Pierce:
No worries. I was just shocked. I saw this message, then I went to your page, and I was like, “He wants to talk to me? What?”

David Read:
He does. Absolutely.

Samantha Pierce:
I’m like, “How did he even find me?”

David Read:
Had you known about Dial the Gate beforehand?

Samantha Pierce:
I hadn’t. I try to avoid anything Stargate related and it pops up in my feeds, and I’m like, “No. Please, no.” I didn’t know anything about it, and I saw your page, and I was like, “Oh, God. I wanna watch this interview.” Then I was like, “I can’t ’cause I’m more than likely gonna get spoiled,” but–

David Read:
That’s the thing. To borrow from Stargate, you don’t want Dial the Gate to pop into your fron. Fron means head.

Samantha Pierce:
I can’t wait to actually be able to watch some of your stuff though because I am very interested.

David Read:
Other than me advising certain things, certain clips you can watch. You can ask me about something, and if I have a piece of information that’s isolated that I can share with you, all of our episodes do have chapters now, so I can send you this and say, “Just watch chapter X.” You’re not going to be able to watch my show. You’re just not. Because I am dragging and dropping information from subject to subject as we go along to contextualize it for the audience who’s watched 354 episodes, and you just can’t. It’s full of landmines. Because we really want to protect that innocence of coming upon something and being surprised by it. You don’t want to fake it.

Samantha Pierce:
No.

David Read:
The genuine nature of what you’re doing is one of the reasons people are tuning in.

Samantha Pierce:
Exactly, they want to relive that first time watch experience through me.

David Read:
I had that experience, I felt that way, or, “Oh, she didn’t get the reaction that I got,” or, “That’s an interesting– I didn’t take it that way.” Your show is like time travel. Do you know who FailWhale is?

Samantha Pierce:
No, who’s that? Actor?

David Read:
He was another SG-1 reacts on YouTube. And he had gotten up to Season 10 of SG-1 and Season 3 of Atlantis, and then he was just gone. We don’t know what happened to him. He quit in the middle of those two seasons. I’ve had him on the show once. I’ve never been able to get ahold of him. I’ve emailed him. None of us knows what happened to him. I’m thrilled that you’ve come along to pick up that mantle from my side of things, so that I can have a conversation with someone, especially someone much earlier on, as we get ready for this new series coming out. This will be a nice refresher for folks who are on a similar journey to come back and watch episodes with you, either here in review form, or if they’ve got more time, to go over with you and explore it in your Patreon and on YouTube. On Wormhole X-Tremists, we are not for first-timers. We pull out all the lore. So, stay away from Nicole and Yvie and me for sure.

Samantha Pierce:
OK, I will.

David Read:
Lest you be spoiled majorly. Sam–

Samantha Pierce:
I will stay away for now.

David Read:
Thank you. This has been a real treat.

Samantha Pierce:
Thank you so much.

David Read:
Appreciate having you on.

Samantha Pierce:
I appreciate you reaching out, and I appreciate this conversation. And I can’t wait for our next meeting.

David Read:
Absolutely. I appreciate being appreciated, and I’m really looking forward to talking about “The Fifth Race.” You got it out of me. I’m gonna wrap up the show on this side. You’re welcome to stick around or head out, whatever you need to do, OK?

Samantha Pierce:
OK. Thank you so much.

David Read:
You take care of yourself. Sayonara.

Samantha Pierce:
All right, you too. Bye.

David Read:
Bye now. That was Samantha Pierce, aka ModelOnScreen. That is her handle on YouTube and on Patreon, and the links are in the description below for all of that. My name is David Read. You’re watching The Stargate Oral History Project. This was a real treat. My tremendous thanks to Lockwatcher and Enigma, our mods for this episode. Mod Captain Lockwatcher. Antony’s in there as well. Thank you, Lockwatcher, for the time codes. This has been so cool. We have moments in our lives that mean a lot to us, and a lot of mine is with television. For better or for worse, it’s just the case as an only child, and there are some coming up for her that are the same that I had. And I’m very interested to get her reactions to some of these things that have stuck with me. And you know, folks, what I’m talking about, because you were there for a lot of it as well. One of the things that I wanna make sure that she does is take stock of especially Season Two episodes. I’d like a few more clips than we had this time around, those seminal moments that stick out to her, and to write them down somewhere and bank them so that I can get the time codes later on and we can do that same thing again. Getting to watch her reaction to specific beats that were important to her, and then me being able to go through, and it’s like, “This one is important to me. Let’s see if she stops and says anything.” And there were a couple where I went in there and I’m like, “Maybe she’ll–” and she glossed over it. It didn’t hit her like it hit me. And that’s how it is with television. It’s cool all the same. What have we got here? We have a huge lineup that’s heading your way for the rest of the season. Alexis Cruz, Skaara in the Stargate feature film and in SG-1, he’s joining us tomorrow for Valentine’s Day at 9:00 AM Pacific Time. This is the third time we’ve had him on, and then hopefully on Sunday, I have yet to review it, so we’ll see. Simone Bailly, Mike Dopud, and Sharon Taylor, Kal-El, Varro, Odai Ventrell, the dude was in so much stuff, and Amelia Banks, they’re gonna be joining us from a December recording live that we did together that’s a roundtable discussion. If you saw the one that we did with Jacqueline Samuda, Tom McBeath, and Garwin Sanford, we did another one with Simone, Mike, and Sharon together. And it’s a little bit of a different energy, and that’s going to be a conversation that we’re gonna have on the 15th of February at 10:00 AM Pacific Time, if I can get everything together in time. It’s gonna be a little bit of a rush, but hopefully it’ll be out there at that time. If not, I’m working on it. Jack O’Neill’s finest hour: we are gonna reveal what that is. It may be something that you don’t think of. And that’s gonna be on February the 16th at 8:00 AM Pacific Time. We’re bringing back Fused Film’s Kevin Coll to have that discussion. That is a pre-recorded show as well. And then the 16th at 10:00 AM Pacific Time, Radek Zelenka actor David Nykl. The 17th we have Pierre Bernard, O’Brien in Stargate SG-1 in the Season 8 episode “Zero Hour,” I believe that’s right, and in Season 10’s “200.” And on the 21st of February, Dion Johnstone, a pre-recorded interview with Chaka, Tyler, Wodan, this guy was prolific. That’s gonna be, that says 8:00 AM Pacific. Why do I have it that early? We’ll see if that sticks. If you enjoy Stargate and you wanna see more content like this on YouTube, please click that Like button. It does make a difference with the show and will continue to help us grow our audience. Please also consider sharing this video with a Stargate friend, and if you wanna see more episodes like this, click Subscribe. If you wanna get notified about more of them, including the Bell icon and click, will notify you the moment new video drops, and you’ll get my notifications of any last minute guest changes and clips from this episode will be released over the course of the next few weeks on the Dial the Gate YouTube channel. Go and check out the Daily Gate. We are still putting out daily clips, one or two a day over there. It’s our third YouTube channel. It’s clicking right along. There was this one clip from “Torment of Tantalus” that just absolutely went viral. It’s like 120,000 views or something. It’s absolutely bananas. I could not believe that. Of course, that’s the one that I highlighted here as well. Maybe there’s something to that. And I think that’s what we’ve got for you all. My tremendous thanks to my whole team. Stick around and smile as you go through the credits because they’ve put in a lot of work. My name is David Read for Dial the Gate. I appreciate you tuning in, and I will see you on the other side.