We may have lost him at the battle of the Ori Supergate, but Colonel Chekov will not be forgotten. Garry Chalk, the chameleon actor behind the Russian character, joins Dial the Gate to share memories of Don S. Davis, meeting Thor and shooting pool.

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Timecodes
00:29 – Opening Credits
00:58 – Welcome and Episode Outline
01:33 – Call to Action
02:20 – Guest Introduction
08:09 – Garry did a pool “rick shot” for RDA in MacGyver
15:10 – Years of Work with N. John Smith and Don S. Davis
19:44 – Getting Colonel Chekov
22:12 – Speaking Russian (5×08 “The Tomb”)
24:00 – How did you get into acting?
32:44 – Building the character for Five seasons
38:30 – Ronny Cox
41:41 – Voice acting on cartoon shows
47:08 – What does Stargate mean to you?
49:54 – Cold War elements in Stargate
52:20 – Conventions
53:31 – Playing the guitar upside down
54:54 – Cliff Simon
56:07 – What was it like doing “ReBoot” ?
1:02:05 – Chekov’s Character Arc
1:03:13 – Thank You, Gary! (And Optimus Prime)
1:03:48 – Post-Interview Housekeeping
1:16:50 – End Credits

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David Read:
Hello everyone, I’m David Read. Welcome to Episode 75 of Dial the Gate. 75 episodes! We’ve been going since October. Boy oh boy, quite a ride. Thank you for subscribing, if you are a subscriber. 10,000 people. 10,300 subscribers, I think, last check. Can’t believe it. Can’t believe our success within the past few months here. Very, very thankful for it. I have a wonderful guest standing by here. Mr. Garry Chalk is going to be joining us in just a moment. But first, if you like Stargate and you want to see more content like this on YouTube, it would mean a great deal if you click the Like button. It really makes a difference with YouTube’s algorithm and will definitely help the show grow its audience. And please also consider sharing this video with a Stargate friend, and if you want to get notified about future episodes, click the Subscribe icon. Giving the bell icon a click will notify you the moment a new video drops, and you’ll get my notifications of any last-minute guest changes. This is key if you plan on watching live, because these actors and crew, they are working and things come up. Clips from this live stream will be released over the course of the next several days on the GateWorld.net YouTube channel. It really means a lot to me that you’re here, and that goes the same for Mr. Garry Chalk. Hello, sir. How are you?

Garry Chalk:
Hi! How are you doing? I’m good, how are you?

David Read:
I’m well. Keeping busy.

Garry Chalk:
Me too. It’s been a crazy few months, I’ve got to say.

David Read:
Absolutely!

Garry Chalk:
Been, funnily enough, doing a lot of traveling. It’s not like you think. I’m going over to the Vancouver Island and worked over there a couple of times on films, and I’ve been in Calgary a few times working on TV series. Aside from the work, it’s incredibly boring. You go to the job, you go to the set, and you work and that’s great fun. You have a mask on all the time except for when they yell “Rolling” and then the mask comes off, and then they yell “Cut” and the mask goes on. And you get tested every few days, and you gotta get your temperature and everything every morning before you come to work and fill out the questionnaire. But then it’s just set, hotel, set, hotel. In the hotel everything is closed, all the restaurants are closed, so you get room service a little bit in the morning, but nothing else. I’ve taken to ordering Chinese food in. Everything is closed. There’s only takeout to go. It’s hotel, set, set, hotel. The same thing in Victoria, British Columbia. I just finished a film there a week and a half ago, and it was hotel, set, set, hotel. Hotel, set, set, hotel. Hotel, set, set, hotel.

David Read:
Wow. It’s got to be… I’m sure you’re thanking your lucky stars that you’re working.

Garry Chalk:
Yes, of course. That goes without saying.

David Read:
Compared to everything that’s… It’s crazy to watch that everything– We’ve been doing this for a year now, and we have to do what we have to do to make things work.

Garry Chalk:
Exactly right. It’s been– The thing is, as long as people follow the protocols, wear their masks, keep their distance– I’m going to decline this, hang on a second. One second.

David Read:
Gotcha.

Garry Chalk:
Hi Johnny, Johnny, I’m good man, I’m right in the middle of an interview. I’ll call you back afterwards. Alright, bye. My friend in London.

David Read:
I hear ya. You gotta do what you gotta do. It’s all good.

Garry Chalk:
That’s true. What was I saying? If everybody follows the protocols, I was hoping that everybody would just stay home for a couple of weeks, it would die off, and then everything would be fine. Here it is now, over a year, and it’s not even getting better. It’s sort of getting worse. In Canada anyway, we’ve had a real upsurge of cases.

David Read:
Even with the vaccines.

Garry Chalk:
Even with the vaccines. Well our vaccine rollout has not been great. I finally qualified, and I get my vaccine a week tomorrow. Despite the vaccine, there’s still more cases. And people think, “Well I guess it’s safe now, it’s got to be safe now.” Sorry, it’s not. I just talked to a friend of mine, Sam, he’s recovering after a long bout with Covid. I also talked to a friend of mine, Toby, who’s living up in Squamish, British Columbia. He got Covid way back when… in March, last March. He was one of the lucky ones where he said, “I had the flu for four days and that was it.” But there are lots of people who have lost friends to it. My cousin’s mother-in-law was in hospital for several months with it. His daughter caught it, the boyfriend caught it. It’s been real hellish. We don’t realize it because we have space, but when you’re living in each other’s pockets like they are in the UK, when you’ve got 12 million people living in one city, or 14 million, or whatever it is, and you’re at Tier 5–

David Read:
It’s a completely different situation. You’ve got to be very careful.

Garry Chalk:
Everywhere. It’s an open border with the rest of Europe. Well, not now, but it was. People were free to travel all over Europe so that spreads everything. My cousin hasn’t seen his mother in a year. Not allowed. So, I’m hoping that it’s going to end very soon. I’d like for it to end very soon. We’ll see what happens. Enough of the Covid! It’s Covid, Covid, Covid!

David Read:
Isn’t that the truth!

Garry Chalk:
Covid, Covid, Covid! Covid, Covid, Covid! It’s just too much Covid. Funnily enough, there’s a part of me that agrees with them.

David Read:
The last time that you and I caught up was 2019. We were filming for Season Two of Dialing Home and that footage did not get released, and to this day I’m sorry about that. But I’m so thankful that you’ve come and joined me on my new show here on Dial the Gate. It means a lot to have you.

Garry Chalk:
That’s great, thank you. Ask me the old questions. You can relive the whole thing.

David Read:
So, your relationship with the production team that was involved in Stargate goes back to MacGyver.

Garry Chalk:
Yes.

David Read:
There were a few stories that you shared about MacGyver that I did not expect, and one of the coolest was you were doing pool tricks for them.

Garry Chalk:
Yes, I did. I shot some trick shots for Richard Dean Anderson. He was doing this hustler scene in a pool hall, funnily enough, that I used to play in every day when I was a kid, down in Chinatown, and it was called, no plug, it’s closed now, called Yama’s. Yama’s Billiards. You had to buzz to get in, and it was mostly Asian guys there. They were all friends of mine from school. We all played pool every day and then they had Richard in there doing this whole pool game hustling thing. They needed someone to do a shot, and the scary thing about that was, they had the original guy shooting it, who was a Canadian snooker champ named Bill Werbeniuk. Or Winnipeg Bill, as they called him. But he was at a tournament, and he could not make the schedule to make the shot.

David Read:
I want to establish, that’s not why you’re there? Or did they call you in to do that?

Garry Chalk:
They called me in to make the shot.

David Read:
They did? OK. I misunderstood.

Garry Chalk:
What happened was, Bill couldn’t make it, so production asked me because they knew I played pool, if I would come in and do a trick shot for Richard. And I thought, “Sure, I know a few trick shots, I can do that.” So, I get there, and he said, “This is the shot that Bill had set up.” And I went, “What?” Bill had set this shot up, and the shot was three balls frozen together on the side rail, and the cue ball at an angle to those three balls, looking down table. What was supposed to happen is the first ball goes straight into the corner pocket. The second ball comes off the rail, hits a ball, and goes in the side pocket. Richard called the shot, he goes, “Three ball in the side pocket off the white, or off the black.” “Oh, well, that’s different. I don’t know how this shot works.” I fiddled around with it for probably about half an hour or so. I marked in pencil where the ball to be played, so that when the middle ball came off the rail it would just touch this ball and go in the pocket. I finally got it set up. You have to have a lot of bottoms on the cue ball to make it work. I made the shot three times. Three out of ten. They got the long shot and they got the coverage.

David Read:
Three out of ten times.

Garry Chalk:
Yes, out of ten times. It was actually quite good. They said, “Great, thank you.” I made the shot and off I went. Richard got credited for that shot. Then the next time he was doing a pool thing, my brother, who is also a pool player but he is a pool champion, they asked if he would play, if I could do another shot. But I was working on my other show so I couldn’t do it. So, I said to my brother, “Hey, you want to make some money? Go and make a trick shot for Richard Dean on MacGyver.” He goes, “No way, really?” And I go, “Yeah.” My brother knows some pretty wild trick shots. He made the shot with some massé, it goes three rails, one two three, hits the ball off the pink spot, and knocks it down to the corner pocket and freezes, blocking the hole. Well, he did that shot probably about four times, five times. And made it four of the five. The one problem they had was, in the practice when he was setting it up, the cue ball would always follow the ball in the hole. He wanted the ball to stick, so that it stayed right in the pocket. So, what he did, he took a couple of drops of water, and put it at the corner pocket, and when he slammed the ball, the ball does this huge, it’s like a crescent, it’s a massé, it goes like this, it goes “whee-oo” and it hits the ball and then freezes in the pocket. That’s exactly what it did. It was pretty interesting. Ah, the things we do.

David Read:
Exactly. And get paid for it.

Garry Chalk:
And get paid for it.

David Read:
That kind of stuff has always blown me away because it’s those hidden talents that people have that you would never even know about, working on a project like MacGyver or Stargate. You also play guitar to unwind.

Garry Chalk:
I do.

David Read:
It’s one of the things you said. People are so multi-faceted and so rarely do you get a chance to hear these kinds of stories. This is stuff that you do in your spare time, and you do because you love it as well.

Garry Chalk:
Yes, I do. I absolutely love playing. I play music a lot. I was playing music before I was doing… You want to see some comedy?

David Read:
OK.

Garry Chalk:
It’s not comedy, actually.

David Read:
What is that? What am I looking at?

Garry Chalk:
You’re looking at you and me.

David Read:
Gosh! That’s crazy.

Garry Chalk:
This is from Doral, Florida, from a guy named Mr. Henshaw. Lawrence. Hi, Lawrence! How are you?

David Read:
Hello, Lawrence.

Garry Chalk:
I didn’t realize you were watching. There you go.

David Read:
I’m really proud of the show and the growth that it’s been getting over the past six months, so it’s not too bad for a TV franchise that’s been off the air for 11 years.

Garry Chalk:
I know, it’s amazing.

David Read:
Your relationship with the likes of N. John Smith, and Richard Dean, and Don S. Davis. These are Stargate cornerstones, and John Smith is rarely mentioned, but he was one of the people that was always making sure that those cogs worked. I would love to have him on at some point to talk about it because he was so crucial.

Garry Chalk:
He’s retired now. I go back with John even before Stargate.

David Read:
Further?

Garry Chalk:
Yes. He used to have tugboats and build boats in Gibson’s Island. He was the boat wrangler on a show called Beachcombers, which ran for 20-something years. He used to have his boat on the show, called The Crystal Gale. And then he moved from that into production and then started producing other shows. Stargate was a big one for him.

David Read:
It was a big deal. His work cannot be understated, and I cannot skip your relationship with Don S. Davis over the years.

Garry Chalk:
My best pal. Don and I go back many years to MacGyver when he was standing in for MacGyver’s boss.

David Read:
Dana Elcar.

Garry Chalk:
Dana Elcar. He was standing in there, and him and I worked together on that, and I also remember him doing voiceovers, and we worked on other shows together because we had the same agent.

David Read:
Didn’t you encourage him to do the voiceovers?

Garry Chalk:
I did. He’s got that voice, “I tell you what. I do love to do this stuff. It’s a lot of fun.” He was terrific. I miss him so much. That’s one of those guys… he was a genuinely sweet guy. You talk about a guy with hidden talents.

David Read:
Man, yes.

Garry Chalk:
Incredible carver, wood carver, sculptor, incredible artist, painter, just a great all-around human being.

David Read:
Absolutely. His website is still out there, thank goodness. I thought that I had lost it, and I managed to, I keep forgetting the name of it. His stuff is still visible for people to see, and I think it’s really important that that’s out there, that his legacy continues to perpetuate itself, very much so. The nice thing about it is we can also turn on Stargate, and we can turn on…

Garry Chalk:
We can see him.

David Read:
…X-Files, and Twin Peaks. That marvelous role of his and see him.

Garry Chalk:
His monologue in Twin Peaks was so cool. I just loved that. I loved all his stuff. He’s just a fun guy. Not a great golfer, gotta say. I remember we went golfing one day and I swear he must have lost about 25 balls. They would go everywhere but down the middle of the fairway. He was terrific, and a good sport about it, too.

David Read:
He’s out there to have a good time.

Garry Chalk:
The irony is his son went to university in the States on a golf scholarship. He was a great golfer.

David Read:
That gene must have come from the mother. Or the grandparents.

Garry Chalk:
Must have been, because he didn’t have the golf gene. All those guys were great. Michael Greenburg, and Stephen Downing. Steve did MacGyver. I still talk to him, he’s retired now. I still talk to him on occasion. Greenburg, I haven’t talked to for a while. I think he does ESPN.

David Read:
Is he still involved with HBO? OK, ESPN.

Garry Chalk:
The sport network, ESPN. He’s doing that. And Richard I haven’t seen for several years, since I haven’t done a Stargate convention. I can’t remember the last one I did.

David Read:
It’s been a while, for sure.

Garry Chalk:
Quite a while ago.

David Read:
MacGyver ends, and N. John Smith says “We’ll get you a part.” At some point here, two seasons, three seasons, four seasons.

Garry Chalk:
Four seasons.

David Read:
Five seasons.

Garry Chalk:
And then, “We have a part for you.” And I went “What? You have a part? Finally!” “Yes, we have a part. It’s a great part. I think you’ll enjoy it. How’s your Russian?” I said “What?” “How’s your Russian?” I said “I don’t speak Russian!” He goes “Oh, ssshhh… We have this great part for you. You don’t speak Russian.” I said “How the hell am I supposed to speak Russian?! What kind of…” “We’re kidding you. We got a tutor coming in. You’ll be with him for a couple of weeks.” And it was true. I’m still friends with him. He’s a director in, I think it’s Mosfilm in Moscow, in Russia. Alexander Kalugin.

David Read:
Whom you terrified because you sounded like Stalin.

Garry Chalk:
Sounded just like Stalin.

David Read:
My God!

Garry Chalk:
It was so fun. I still talk to him, and he directs cop shows and thrillers in Moscow. Nice guy. Really nice guy.

David Read:
And you worked with him on speech.

Garry Chalk:
I’ve acted with him too.

David Read:
You have?

Garry Chalk:
Yeah, we acted on a couple of shows because he came as a guest star on my series called Cold Squad. He came on as a Russian detective solving an international thing, and falls in love with the lead, Julie [Stewart], and then we worked again on Stargate. We worked on some other show where he was playing a Russian gangster or something.

David Read:
Gangster.

Garry Chalk:
It was fun. We had a relationship that spanned over a few years. He wanted to do a spinoff show from Cold Squad about this Russian cop who falls in love with a Canadian cop, and they solve crimes together. He gets special dispensation from the Russian police department, and has a spinoff series from a Russian cop. It was quite something. You gotta hand it to him for trying.

David Read:
No, absolutely!

Garry Chalk:
It’s a good idea.

David Read:
His gears are going, for sure.

Garry Chalk:
Great guy, good actor.

David Read:
You had spent two to three weeks on a whole Russian speech, for “The Tomb” directed by Peter DeLuise. Tell us what happened.

Garry Chalk:
I learned, I learned, I learned. I went every day, practice my Russian. [Inaudible Russian]. подожди меня за дверью [wait for me outside]. Очень хорошо, товарищ [very good, comrade]. I’ve done all these things, and there was a whole big long scene in Russian, and I agonized over it. I finally got it down. I got to set, and Peter said, “Scene’s too long, we’re gonna have to cut it, we can only use the last two lines.” “I’ve been working on this thing for three weeks, and you’re telling me that it’s cut?” “Well, no, not all, just this one scene, it’s too long, so we’re just gonna take the last two lines.” I said, “To hell with that! I’m gonna do the whole scene!” So, I did the whole scene, and he says, “OK, you can do the whole scene, but we’re gonna cut it.” And sure enough, I did the whole scene, but they only used the last two lines. And I thought that was the ultimate in frustration, but then I got to speak Russian in other scenes throughout the show, and that was fun.

David Read:
Absolutely. “Fire rockets!”

Garry Chalk:
Огненные ракеты! [fire rockets!]

David Read:
Exactly right!

Garry Chalk:
That was on the Koli… [sic]

David Read:
Aboard the Korolev, in “Camelot.” May she rest in peace.

Garry Chalk:
That was a great episode. Too bad it was my last episode.

David Read:
I know, but if you’re going to go out… I know we’re skipping ahead a little bit.

Garry Chalk:
Go out with style.

David Read:
If you’re going to go out, go out in style.

Garry Chalk:
I know.

David Read:
Visual effects glory. They spent some money.

Garry Chalk:
That was a big show.

David Read:
Take me back though, Grade 2. Elementary school. You were in a class production of The Shoemaker and the Elves.

Garry Chalk:
I was.

David Read:
Started singing in choirs. This is how you started your craft.

Garry Chalk:
Yes, I actually did my first television appearance singing choir on Ron Morrier’s Saturday Kids Party. That was on CTV, or at that time it was called Chan TV, C-H-A-N, an affiliation of CTV. We sang Christmas choir, Christmas carols, on the show. They dressed us up in all these identical costumes, like sweaters and shirts and whatnot. I thought, “This is cool. I get a free sweater.” I tried to go home with it, he goes, “No, that’s just a costume.”

David Read:
You have to return it.

Garry Chalk:
It’s a nice sweater and shirt! I think at that time, I was about 10. Maybe 9. But Shoemaker and the Elves, I just got right in to it. I found that I really enjoyed performing and I really enjoyed singing at that time, so I sang quite a bit. I had a very embarrassing thing, this is what you call the teen cringe moment. I was doing a reading in my English class in grade 12, and I was reading The Barretts of Wimpole Street. I was playing Mr. Browning, the husband or the boyfriend of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. I really got into it, it was really wonderful writing and I was in it, and there was not a pin drop in the class. My teacher was staring at me like this, and he’s just watching and watching, and the kids in the class are watching and they’re watching, and I’m going, “What are you looking at!” Broke the magic. My teacher said, “Nooo! It was so…”, he’s going, “Noo! It went so good, what are you doing?!” A madman. But that’s what you call the teen cringe. I went, “Oh, I was doing good,” and I thought I’ll be really cool. I turned into a total jerk. Total jerk. But then that launched me because then a friend of mine, Keith, said, “You should get into the theatre, man. I think you would love to do a play. Come on, let’s do a play.” He was named Keith Taverner. I said, “Keith, I’m not going into a play. What would I wanna do that for?” “Lots of chicks.”

David Read:
There’s women.

Garry Chalk:
I said, “What?” He said, “Women. Women.” I went, “Women, OK. All right, well, I’ll try it.” So, my first big production was The Boyfriend. I played Dr… not Dr. Brown. Percy something. Percy. My one song that I remember was, “It’s never too late to have a fling, for autumn is just as nice as spring, and it’s never too late to fall in love.” [inaudible] There were girls dancing. By God, it was a lot of fun.

David Read:
Absolutely, and you get school credit for it.

Garry Chalk:
I got school credit for it and I got a good review in the local rag, in the Richmond Review. A good review of my character. They like that, and then after that I went on to do Camelot, and Oliver. It was for fun. I didn’t think of it as a money-making thing, I just thought it was fun. When I finished school that was it for me. I went in the stock market. Changed direction a few years later and went back to university. Or I went to university because I hadn’t gone yet because I had just graduated from high school. I don’t know, 1970. In 1975 I decided to go back to university because I wanted to be an English teacher and anthropology instructor. That’s what I wanted. One of my English projects was to go down and watch a play in the theater department of the school [inaudible]. I went down and the show was Of Mice and Men. I watched the show and I’m looking at it and I’m going, “Wow, the acting is great. The production values are wonderful. This is what I want to do. I love this.” And so, I decided then and there to audition. And I did. I auditioned and I sang a song and did some scenes. Anthony Holland, who taught at the school, he looks up and says, “Well, you’ve got some talent, not much but some. All right, you’re in.” I didn’t realize what a big deal it was to get into that school. I just thought you try out and you get in. No, they only take 15 people across the country. Per term. I thought, “OK, well there you go. I’m doing OK.” I got in and my theatre career took off after that. After school, never looked back.

David Read:
There is some magic about communicating with an audience through story, that you cannot achieve through TV or film. You can only put the pieces together.

Garry Chalk:
Yes.

David Read:
And there’s something beautiful about it.

Garry Chalk:
There’s something about the immediacy of the stage, of getting on stage and making contact with people right then and there and having them react to what you do, is quite magical. It’s why I love performing music, because you get such a great feedback from the audience. I’m missing that tremendously right now, because everything is closed. All the restaurants. Nobody’s performing live music right now. I’ve done some on the internet, a little bit, and that was fun. But it’s not the same as having a crowd right there in front of you.

David Read:
Correct. It’s not the same at all.

Garry Chalk:
It’s not the same energy. It’s really exciting, so exciting.

David Read:
Music is a shared experience. You don’t have to– Absolutely. You can have perfectly vital—

Garry Chalk:
[Inaudible]

David Read:
But there is something about it that is temporal and immediate that is so transcendent.

Garry Chalk:
The thing about it is, basically it’s like communion between you and your audience, and what you’re doing is you’re not playing to an audience, you’re playing to a person. That guy right there. You’re playing to that guy, that woman, that person, that person over there. And each one of them is getting something different from what you’re doing. What you’re basically doing up there, aside from singing a song and playing music, is you’re telling a story. How compelling can you make that story and how interested in that story are people gonna be. If they like it, that’s wonderful. If they don’t, that’s not too great.

David Read:
I tried!

Garry Chalk:
I tried. All I can do is what I do. And a lot of the times the music I play is music that resonates with me, and music that I love, so I do that. The audience seems to like it very much. We had some pretty good crowds.

David Read:
Hopefully we will again.

Garry Chalk:
My friend Don is really suffering right now.

David Read:
Really?

Garry Chalk:
Yeah. All his European tours are all cancelled.

David Read:
That’s true. Absolutely. I wanna go back to Chekov. You took this character from this brusque military figure to developing a little bit of a sense of humor, you could tell through the subtext of the show. A relationship with O’Neill and with Hammond in a way that was very… a work relationship, not exactly pals, but they found a space for each other.

Garry Chalk:
Mutual respect.

David Read:
That’s exactly right.

Garry Chalk:
Mutual respect.

David Read:
How was it building that character over five seasons?

Garry Chalk:
The thing was, you cannot make a character unidimensional. There’s no point in making a character, in working a character, making it one dimension. Me, not getting on with O’Neill, not getting on with Hammond, or castigating Hammond for something or O’Neill for something or blaming them constantly is boring. It’s boring. Because that doesn’t happen in real life. You have moments where you go “Ah, you’re an asshole”, then you have moments “That’s funny. I kind of like you. Even though you are an asshole, which you are, I’m kind of liking you. And that’s a good thing, I think, on a certain level we can work together. Why don’t we do that?”

David Read:
O’Neill came from a background where he was working black ops in the ‘80s. So, he was a military, an American military man who would have an innate issue with working with Russians.

Garry Chalk:
That’s right.

David Read:
You got to watch that struggle in that character in real time. Colonel Chekov would like a Russian to join SG-1. “Over my rotting corpse, sir.”

Garry Chalk:
“Over my rotting corpse.”

David Read:
There were just certain things he couldn’t do.

Garry Chalk:
“ Send the Russians first.” They always get killed first. Red shirt in Star Trek.

David Read:
That’s right! “Only one Russian soldier came back alive. Barely.”

Garry Chalk:
“All Americans, not a scratch.” I remember that one scene. “All the Americans, they come back fine, the Russians all dead. What’s wrong with this picture?”

David Read:
No, absolutely.

Garry Chalk:
I think there was also a little bit of the relationship that Don and I had and the relationship that I had with Richard Dean shines through on a personal level. Just shove it through there. You can’t, as I said, you can’t be one-dimensional. You gotta have some– I just finished a show a couple of months ago, a series, and I can’t name it because it hasn’t been put out yet.

David Read:
Well, good for you.

Garry Chalk:
The producers came back to me and they said, “You know, we thought that your character was just gonna be a one-dimensional bad guy, a one-dimensional character with no nuance, but boy oh boy you brought something to the character that has layers and nuance and makes that character interesting.” I said, “Thank you.” But basically, it’s just human beings are not one dimension. Human beings are not one level. There’s all kinds of levels that go with human beings, and that’s all you have to do is be a human being. How do they react. That’s the great thing about villains. No villain ever says to themselves, “I am a villain. I am an evil, bad person.” They never do that. They go, “I do what is necessary. This is my job. People just don’t understand my methods.”

David Read:
Exactly.

Garry Chalk:
It’s absolutely true.

David Read:
Have you seen Elephant?

Garry Chalk:
Elephants? That’s a–

David Read:
Elephant.

Garry Chalk:
No, I haven’t seen that.

David Read:
It came out a few years after the Columbine shooting, and it follows these kids who have given up on life and humanity and go in and shoot up a school. I would argue that they know perfectly good and well that what they’re doing is bad, and they have just completely given up on existence. But those are the characters that you want to root for.

Garry Chalk:
No. They’re not rootable characters, they’re not likable characters.

David Read:
Exactly. But at the same time there’s no fun to play in that either, because you have… if you’re going to give the audience something to chew on, you have to give them a chance to be able to say “You know what, I can kind of see this from this character’s perspective. This character that you’re playing in this upcoming show.”

Garry Chalk:
I’ll give you a classic example. Hannibal Lecter. Everybody loved Hannibal Lecter. You can always hear them…

David Read:
They loved to hate him.

Garry Chalk:
“Fava beans with liver. Mmm, delicious. It goes with a nice claret [sic].” You squirm but you go, “Oh yeah.”

David Read:
There’s just something about some of those classic characters, like Ronny Cox, the perfect example. You worked with, a fellow guitar player, you worked with him in “Disclosure.” He’s probably the classic character that pretty much every Stargate fan says that they hate that guy. I was talking about this, I think, with David Hewlett earlier today, you hate him because it’s working. You don’t hate him because it’s a bad performance. You know it’s a good performance.

Garry Chalk:
You hate him because it’s too good.

David Read:
That’s exactly right!

Garry Chalk:
I know. And Ronny in real life is just the nicest guy you’ll ever meet. And a great musician.

David Read:
Absolutely.

Garry Chalk:
You remember him from the first RoboCop movie.

David Read:
Dick Jones.

Garry Chalk:
Remember that?

David Read:
Yup.

Garry Chalk:
And he was a great villain there too. And Miguel Ferrer, I remember Miguel in that. Miggie. I worked… I did a series with Miguel, from that show called Broken Badges a long time ago. Poor Miggie, he’s no longer with us. He passed away last year or two years ago. I can’t remember. But that’s the thing. Every character, no character is, some people may draw characters that are one-dimensional, but no actor worth his salt is ever gonna play a character one-dimensional. It just doesn’t work.

David Read:
And they don’t get their own spaceships.

Garry Chalk:
And they don’t get their own spaceship. And they, “I asked for a spaceship.” That was a running gag on Stargate. “All you guys, you’re going up in spaceships. When do I get to go up in a spaceship? Where’s my spaceship?” I’m asking the producers, for real. And they go, “You’ll get it, you’ll get it.”

David Read:
“You’ll get it,” all right.

Garry Chalk:
“You’ll get it.” I thought that was so much fun.

David Read:
The Russians were promised that the next… the one that came off the assembly line would be theirs, and the one after that would be the Sun Tzu or the Phoenix, I think. Eventually those governments had those arrangements. It only made sense for your character to be able to have that position. The fact that you were… not only did you have that role, but you were surrounded on set with Russian cast.

Garry Chalk:
They were all Russians. They said my Russian was good. I’ve played a Russian a few times. I was a Russian on a thing called Haunted… Haunting… Haunted Stories. It’s Haunted [sic] or something like that. A kid’s show about eerie things happening. And I played a Russian created Golem, which was quite fun. Now I’m doing a cartoon Hunting Monsters [sic]. That’s another great, fun show but you won’t hear anything about that for a while because we’re still recording. So much fun. I got nice feedback from the producers on that too, about storytelling.

David Read:
Are you able to do all that from your house?

Garry Chalk:
No.

David Read:
You do have to go in.

Garry Chalk:
I did the movie Cats & Dogs from here. Cats & Dogs 3, I played the old golden retriever. Old Gord or something. Or Old Mike. I recorded it right here. I thought I was doing the scratch, but they actually used it.

David Read:
That’s why you keep the record button on.

Garry Chalk:
Here’s the thing: all you really need for a studio is a good mic, a good pre-amp, and a [inaudible]. And a good audio interface. Like Apogee or one of those there. I’ve got — I’m only using right now — Steinberg, a two-channel thing that works pretty good.

David Read:
It also helps to have some talent and know what you’re doing, too.

Garry Chalk:
You’ve gotta know what you’re doing. I’ve been doing a bunch of little things. I was doing these things for a friend of mine in Toronto, “As you walk through the front door, turn to your left and see an island kitchen, with all the latest in modern appliances, looking out over a wondrous view of the Don Valley.” That’s called virtual house tours. I do those, that’s fun.

David Read:
That’s crazy.

Garry Chalk:
I know, wild. But you can do it. I just watched another one from a gal here who sells these multimillion-dollar, 9 million dollars, 12 million dollars, and she goes, “And look at this counter. Isn’t it cool? This is a cool counter. I think it’s made out of stone.” And I’m going, “Not the way to sell a house.” “And we have a bedroom here, and here’s a living room, and a great view, eh?”

David Read:
“Great view, eh?”

Garry Chalk:
My god! I’m going, “You’re trying to sell this place? You’ve got to develop some good writing because, my God.” I’m looking at them going, “Yes, I’m in the market for a 12 million dollars house, but not this one.” It’s funny but it’s like, “If you’re going to put all that money in production at least get a decent person to tell your story and a decent writer.”

David Read:
That’s fair. So much of that hangs off on how it’s presented and how it’s told.

Garry Chalk:
How it’s presented. It’s like that guy on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, or Lifestyles of the Billionaires or something. To me that stuff is just like this sort of gross wealth. “I have a hundred-bedroom house. Only me and my wife live here. But a hundred bedrooms.”

David Read:
And a golden toilet.

Garry Chalk:
“I have a gold toilet.” I just remembered [inaudible] going on a tour of Trump’s apartments on one episode of The Apprentice. And I remember that was the first season and I liked it.

David Read:
I never saw it.

Garry Chalk:
One of the consolations, you get to go on a tour of Trump’s house and have dinner there with Melania. You go in to this huge apartment and it’s just the most garish– It looks like something that Liberace would do on steroids. Everything is gold-plated, gold plaster, gold desks, gold chairs. What the hell is all that? It’s just very uncomfortable on the eyes.

David Read:
It’s a display of wealth that’s just– That’s my issue when I go to Vegas. You’ve got all this wealth, and it just looks all… so much of it just looks terrible.

Garry Chalk:
It’s tatty. Some of the rooms in Vegas are pretty nice, I gotta say. I loved [inaudible] and I loved that Wynn Hotel, and the Blues one, down at the other end of the strip. There are some nice ones but then there’s some really tatty ones, too. There is a lot of wealth there but it’s easy come, easy go.

David Read:
That’s true.

Garry Chalk:
Everything is designed to lure you.

David Read:
I have some fan questions for you, if you don’t mind.

Garry Chalk:
Yes, by all means go ahead.

David Read:
Jett Ison, “For Garry. What does Stargate mean to you? It can’t just be another gig that you did. Is it something more?”

Garry Chalk:
The thing about Stargate that was so special to me is that I had a lot of history with a lot of the main players on the show. A lot of the cast, actually most of the cast, were friends of mine. When I came on the set it was like going to meet with the family and having a great day. Having a great week. It was just like it wasn’t even work. It was just fun.

David Read:
And you can take your Australian Shepherd.

Garry Chalk:
And I could take my Aussie Shepherd, which I kept in my trailer, because Richard had his dog.

David Read:
Exactly.

Garry Chalk:
Somebody else had their dog. John Smith had his dog there. It was a dog-friendly set. There were lots of little dogs running around. My dog was very good. She was always there, Harley. A sweetheart of a puppy. I miss her. That’s the one dog I miss to this day. I haven’t had her for 15 years. It was nice to walk onto a set and just know everybody, and know that it wasn’t just a job. We did golf tournaments, we had 100th anniversaries, or 100th show anniversary parties. We had get-togethers on set, we had birthday bouncy tents, or bouncy castle…

David Read:
For Wylie [Anderson].

Garry Chalk:
…for kids to come on…

David Read:
The bouncy castle.

Garry Chalk:
…bouncy castle to come on set for birthdays. We developed some life-long friendships on the show. Jay Brazeau and I have been friends for 40 years.

David Read:
He says “Hello” by the way.

Garry Chalk:
He does? Thank you. “Hello” back. Jay and I have been friends for over 40 years. We first met in 1980, in Winnipeg of all places. All of them. There’s Jay, Gary Jones, and Amanda Tapping, they were all good pals. Paul McGillion, great people. When you go to work and you go “Yes!” you’re gonna have fun.

David Read:
“It’s gonna be a good day.”

Garry Chalk:
I was not a labor. If it was, it was a labor of love. There you go.

David Read:
Nate Ewald, “Do you feel the use of the Cold War trope was appropriate as a storytelling device on SG-1, or would you rather have seen something else come into play?”

Garry Chalk:
I think the Cold War trope worked in that you’re working with the Air Force and they’re trying to have superiority, and there’s a Stargate in America and there’s a Stargate in Russia. There was a Russian Stargate and of course they have mutual distrust. I think the thing that gave Stargate its legs, its longevity, was that it had that kind of rivalry and that kind of tension within the show, and a major overall conflict between these guys and these guys. Then when you bring in the aliens, now you’ve got a three-way going and that’s exciting television and it’s compelling to watch. If you only had the Cold War, that would be boring. If you only had alien visitation, that would be boring. So, you’ve gotta have all these different shows. I love the shows with the nanobots. The ones who ate everything.

David Read:
The Replicators.

Garry Chalk:
Yeah, the Replicators. I loved that show. I loved the show with the little alien guy. I’m sorry, my memory is not…

David Read:
It’s fine, describe it.

Garry Chalk:
The shiny iridescent alien who I met once.

David Read:
Who you met once. Oh, Thor! Absolutely!

Garry Chalk:
Thor! Fabulous.

David Read:
“I like working with a puppet.”

Garry Chalk:
“I like working with a puppet. I go to him and I touch him. He’s so smooth.” He was very smooth. It’s eerie when you’re working with him and his eyes and his mouth and everything, it’s all moving and you’re going “Hello. Yes.” You get sucked in because the puppeteers were excellent on that show.

David Read:
Absolutely they were.

Garry Chalk:
I have no qualms about the Cold War trope. I thought it was a good idea. Even today, that still holds. We are sort of embarking on another Cold War.

David Read:
The future is always uncertain, for sure.

Garry Chalk:
I know.

David Read:
Emily Cheetham, “What do you enjoy most about attending the conventions that you’ve been to?”

Garry Chalk:
To tell you the truth, I love the people. It doesn’t matter where you go in the world, Stargate fans are basically good people. They’re the same people. They speak different languages, but they love the costumes, they love the show, they love the stories, and they’re wonderful people to talk to, and very engaging. I’ve met quite a few over the years. Their enthusiasm for it, and the thing that I like about it as well is here you have a group of like-minded people who get together from all over the world or all over the country, and they’re having a blast! They’re having a lot of fun. And they do, they have a pile of fun. There’s nothing more appealing than people having a good time.

David Read:
Absolutely. Brotha Kyle says — and I don’t know this is true, I’m assuming he knows — “By far the most impressive thing you do is play guitar upside down.”

Garry Chalk:
Yes, I do.

David Read:
That’s hard to do. How did you pull that off? How did you learn to do that?

Garry Chalk:
When I was a child, when I was a teen, I lived in an isolated world. And in that world, we didn’t have left-handed guitars and everybody in our house played guitar, but they all played right-handed, so I assumed that the only guitar there was, was a right-handed guitar. So, I picked one up and I started looking at the music books and I played a chord and I went “Oh, yeah, it works.” So, I kept playing and I had no problems playing it upside down, and by the time I figured out that there was a left-handed guitar because I had never seen one, it was too late. I was solidly locked into left-handed. But I can play a right-handed guitar better than most right-handed guitarists can play. That’s how it works. You talk about getting questions, I got a question right here. Can you talk about Cliff Simon?

David Read:
Yes, we lost him a few weeks ago.

Garry Chalk:
Yes, we did. And that was a sad day. He was in a windsurfing accident of all things, in San Diego or somewhere down–

David Read:
Yes, he was out… I forget which beach he frequents. He was kiteboarding, and I don’t know precisely what happened to him, but I know that we lost him.

Garry Chalk:
Yes, they didn’t go into any details on the accident.

David Read:
Devastating.

Garry Chalk:
What a lovely man he was, Cliff. I met him quite a few times and he’s always been engaging. He was a New Age guy.

David Read:
He did his own thing.

Garry Chalk:
He did his own thing. He was wonderful. I really got a kick out of him, his recordings, some of the things, his philosophy of life. We had a wonderful time, so I would say, Cliff, rest in peace, man. You went away way too soon.

David Read:
Absolutely. Lorraine Black — a couple more and then I’m gonna let you go — Lorraine Black, “What was it like doing ReBoot?” Now, this was the first CG animated…

Garry Chalk:
Cartoon series.

David Read:
…cartoon series. I remember this back in the day: “Warning, incoming game.” It was so cool.

Garry Chalk:
“Warning, incoming game.”

David Read:
That’s exactly right.

Garry Chalk:
I’ll tell you, I absolutely loved ReBoot. Loved all the [inaudible]. Quiet! Loved all the– That’s my dog.

David Read:
That’s all right.

Garry Chalk:
My wife’s dog. She’s sitting up there, sunning herself. Up there… you can’t see the top of the stairs.

David Read:
I can’t.

Garry Chalk:
If you look at the top of the stairs there, she’s sitting. There she is. Sitting, if you could see, she’s right there.

David Read:
Hi puppy!

David Read:
Just a little nubbin.

Garry Chalk:
Just a little nubbin of a dog. But she’s a pain. But she likes me somehow.

David Read:
There she is.

Garry Chalk:
As I was saying.

David Read:
ReBoot.

Garry Chalk:
ReBoot. I loved ReBoot. ReBoot was– Phil Hayes and I, and then Scott McNeil and I, played these two characters, Hack and Slash. I was Slash. My favorite thing was, “Push the button. Push the button.” “I don’t wanna push the button. Every time I push the button something bad happens. Megabyte will kill us! Hold me.” We’d make up dialogue for the scenes, and we’d have script and we’d read the script and then we’d do the same scene but with improv dialogue. A lot of times they used the improv dialogue. It was a lot of fun, lots of in-jokes in the show, and computer jokes that are dated now. Back then they were state of the art. The people were terrific. Michael Benyaer played Bob, and he was good. Kathleen Barr played Dot. Myself, I played Doc Fingers, Slash, Turbo, Cyrus, and someone else I can’t remember. But all I remember is “Mein digits! Ach, mein digits! Fly, little one.”

David Read:
You talk about a show that really pushed the envelope. So, much of what we have now was built off the back of shows like it.

Garry Chalk:
The thing was that nobody thought that a CGI show could be done, because Toy Story, to do one minute of film, took thousands of hours of programming.

David Read:
And rendering and everything.

Garry Chalk:
And all the rendering of everything took thousands and thousands of hours. But we had a bank of computers and computer technology that makes those mega-computers at [CIA headquarters] Langley look like Atari stations. These guys, they’d be churning out these, and he goes… I said “Toy Story’s pretty good.” “Ugh, Toy Story! They put out one movie, and it takes them two years. We put out a series!” And that launched a lot of other series, like ReBoot, Transformers.

Garry Chalk:
There was Beast Machines, there’s Beast Wars, Transformers, Weirdoes, War Planets. What was the other show? There were some other shows that they did. I can’t remember them. The Halloween one with the witch and the Scary Godmother. Scary Godmother, that was the one. But they launched a lot of shows, and after that, new software had been developed, and other production companies saw that it was indeed possible to put shows out. Now you have a whole pile of them.

David Read:
Left and right.

Garry Chalk:
Shows that are CGI, which is cool. I like the movies. One of my favorite movies is Despicable Me.

Garry Chalk:
You talk about a villain who’s so lovable. I love that cartoon. I love the Minions. Everything about that show made me laugh.

David Read:
My parents love it. I’ve not really seen it, but they have actually watched it and they like it. It’s good stuff.

Garry Chalk:
So, Ice Age.

David Read:
Ice Age is great.

Garry Chalk:
I just got word — it flashed across my screen — that my internet or your internet is unstable.

David Read:
It’s all good. We’re gonna wrap it up on this side here. But Garry, I really appreciate you taking the time and rest in peace Colonel Chekov. He got what he wanted at the end of the day. He got a glorious send-off. What an arc for a character over five seasons.

Garry Chalk:
I know, it was wonderful. For me it was a real growth experience; it was a life-changing experience for me. I thought all the stuff that went on in that show was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I had so much fun with those guys. I’m hoping someday to have fun with them again.

Garry Chalk:
I do work with the odd one every once in a while.

David Read:
Brad Wright, SG4.

Garry Chalk:
It seems like everybody’s retired.

David Read:
Brad’s still going.

Garry Chalk:
I know, I’m friends with Brad.

David Read:
He’s hoping to get SG4 out. We’ll see what happens. I’m rooting for him.

Garry Chalk:
Me too. I’d like to say thank you. Thank you for taking the time [inaudible] come to me and talk to me, and we’ll see you again in the future, I hope.

Garry Chalk:
We’ll see you when I get some more new stuff to report.

David Read:
I would have a final request before you go.

Garry Chalk:
Yes.

David Read:
Would you do Optimus Prime for me?

Garry Chalk:
“The keys to the future lie buried in the past. Watch out, Megatron. Maximals, maximize!”

David Read:
Thank you so much, my friend.

Garry Chalk:
My pleasure.

David Read:
You take care of yourself, alright?

Garry Chalk:
You bet. You too. Have a good time.

David Read:
Be well, Garry.

Garry Chalk:
See you later.

David Read:
Bye-bye. Garry Chalk, everyone. Garry Chalk. Colonel Chekov, Stargate SG-1, and one of the Optimus Primes. My name is David Read, you’re watching Dial the Gate. Thank you so much for joining me. We have a giveaway for this month. Dial the Gate has partnered with BigJ Customs for the month of April to give you a chance to get your very own custom Pop figure. To enter to win these items, you need to use a desktop or laptop computer and go to DialTheGate.com and scroll down to “submit trivia questions.” Your trivia may be used in a future episode of Dial the Gate either for our monthly trivia night or for a special guest to ask me in a round of trivia. There are three slots for trivia, one easy, one medium, and one hard. Only one needs to be filled in, but you’re more than welcome to submit up to three. Please note the submission form does not currently work for mobile devices. Your trivia must be received before May the first, 2021, of course. If you’re the lucky winner, I’ll be notifying you via your email to get your address and be sure to check out our partner’s website for more Stargate-related merchandise at BigJCustomsArt.com. I have a few questions submitted, more than a few, over the course of the afternoon. I wanted to wait until we could get to them because I knew David and I would probably take the full two hours which we did. Scotty0709, “Will there be trivia between you and the guests soon? I’d like to know who’s the ultimate David, for example.” We do need to schedule another one. The calendar is pretty booked for the rest of this month, so I’ll get in touch with Darren and see about putting another one on the books again. I would like to do another larger group. I’m curious to see if everyone likes the larger groups for the trivia or the smaller, more intimate groups for trivia. Ryanjames170, “Who makes the ZPMs that you mentioned in the David Hewlett interview?” I don’t know if he’s still doing it. I need to check with him first. I will, if he is OK with me sharing the information, because he may not be doing them, he may not want any orders. I’ll look for a comment from David Read, from my personal account, in the comments feed below this one, but give me a couple of days on this because as soon as I wrap this up, I head out to work. I need to check and see if he’d be interested in doing one for David’s friend first, and then we’ll go from there. They are the closest replicas that I’ve seen, and I’ve seen a number of Zero Point Modules, fan-made ones, they don’t look right. The cap is too thick on the top and the crystals where they meet at the bottom are too small. Someone’s done marked one eyeball transfer from one to the other and it– The one that this guy did, I’m convinced that they are the most accurate ones out there, and they were beautiful. I wanna have one back here as a lantern on one of the shelves, even though I’ve completely run out of space. TuneTamasha, “In your opinion, what should a new gate do?” Spin, light up, both, something else? What should the new gate do? The spinning is always really cool, but the spinning is really expensive for a practical set. I would be cool with some kind of light-up. My issue with the Atlantis one was that when the constellation would go around, it would go around in boxes. It wasn’t a freely moving constellation. I would like to see something where you had the full range of movement of the lights for when it did do those lights, rather than just the sections of slots where there would be a space for each individual constellation. Something like that. Damon Smallwood, “Why is it so hard to come out with a Stargate game? License problems?” That is a big question. The resources that go into a game are extensive. I won’t get into what happened with Stargate Worlds other than to say that there was financial mismanagement. The game was really going places. It did have its issues, but those could have easily been worked out. If it had the financial resources, there was allocation to other gaming projects before the first game was out. It was this idea of “we need to diversify our portfolio.” That’s what I remember hearing a lot. My understanding is that the finances weren’t there to get the project finished. They started cutting people as a result. I know people who were going in there and who were basically working for free. They were not getting a paycheck. And then MGM pulled the plug when they weren’t seeing the milestones be hit. A few years later we had the– I forget who it was, was it Perpetual Entertainment? Someone who put out the mobile game for SG-1, which was actually pretty darn good. They put out two episodes of that, and I was really disappointed that the third one didn’t come out. I think it was too expensive. We get this idea, and the Stargate fanbase is really guilty of it, when you go in to Facebook and say “Well why can’t we have this? Why can’t we have that? Stargate is just as big as Star Wars, or Star Trek.” No, it’s not. It’s a fraction of the size of them both, the fanbase. There are plenty of viewers out there but they’re very casual viewers. There’s a reason why when Gary Jones or someone else comes on, we mention certain fans and they’re like “Oh, I know those fans!” Because there’s only a certain number of fans that percolate to the top and go to events and things like that. It’s that small of a community. There are plenty of people who casually watch the show, but there are only a certain number of people who are crazy about it. If you wanna go forward and have a project come out, you have to be willing to, in many cases, pay for it upfront. That’s one of the things that’s really cool about how well the Stargate role-playing game did financially. I was very pleased at how well that did financially with the Kickstarter. Let me say, it’s not guaranteed that the Kickstarter platform will always be a thing that you can use. A lot of that is up to the license holder as to whether or not you can even use that kind of system to draw in money. We’ll see what happens there. Numerous people had to say, “What happened to that magnificent painting of McKay and Sheppard in Harmony? Was it auctioned off?” Yes it was. [Inaudible]. I think this is it. This is book one of Stargate Artifacts from Propworx, which I produced, and we did two live auctions, let me see here. Un momento, por favor. Sold off set pieces. If this isn’t the right one, I’m gonna be really embarrassed. Come on. Let’s see here. I love these books. We did these high-quality images on pretty much every piece that we sold. I did all the descriptions for all of them. The images were the real thing for me. I wanted there to be an existing copy of this content out there, for the fans to receive. These books are pretty much impossible to get now. This was the lot for the Harmony painting. If it will come in to focus here. Is it gonna come in to focus? Kind of. Harmony’s Victory painting. I can’t remember exactly how much it went for, but it did pretty darned well, so I’ll put it that way. Propworx was one of the greatest couple of years of my life. It was the only reason that I ever lived in [Los Angeles]. Never live there again. That was terrific. So, we sold that. It was auctioned off for sure. That’s everything that I have right here. Merchandise! Dial the Gate is brought to you every week for free and we do appreciate you watching, but if you wanna support the show further, buy yourself some of our themed swag. We’re now offering t-shirts, tank tops, sweatshirts, and hoodies for all ages and a variety of sizes and colors at Red Bubble. We currently offer four themed designs and hope to add more in the future. Checkout is fast and easy, and you can use your Amazon or PayPal account. Visit DialTheGate.RedBubble.com, and we do appreciate your support. That’s pretty much everything that I’ve got for you guys. Next week is gonna be a prerecorded show. We have Carl Binder recorded so far; we have not yet recorded Robert C. Cooper. I’m hoping that we can do that this week. The interview, the prerecorded slot may be bumped to later, so we’re gonna have to wait and see for that. I’m also gonna try this week and sit down and do a review of Stargate SG-1 Season One of concept art. I’d like to go season by season because I have archives of this stuff and I’d really like to take you through some of the concept art that was created for the show. I don’t know if anyone is gonna watch that though. I might be Mr. Fred Rogers, sitting taking you through the concept art and everyone may go to sleep. But we’re gonna try it and see what happens. I need to sit down and organize that. There’s that. That’s gonna be happening. April the 18th, we’re planning on premiering that at 11. If I can get my butt in gear, we’ll do that. Carl Binder, we had a wonderful hour and a half conversation with Carl Binder. Talk about a man with a wealth of stories and knowledge from that production. He was fascinating to talk with and really a joy to have him on the show. We’ll see about getting Robert C. Cooper this week, but if not, we may bump that one. Then, for April the 25th, Sally Malcolm will be joining us at 10am Pacific Time, Fandemonium founder, and novelist. She may be bringing on a couple extra novelists, we’re not entirely sure. We’ll see about that, that’s up for her. She’s definitely gonna be joining us from the UK. Joseph Mallozzi will be tuning in with us April 25th at 12 noon Pacific for part seven of his discussion with us on Season Nine of SG-1. Musetta Vander, Shan’auc, from Stargate SG-1 will be joining us April 25th at 2pm Pacific Time. Then May the second, Todd Masters, prosthetics makeup artist. I’m really excited about this one. Part of my love of this program is to be able to reach out to people, not only that I once knew while the show was in production, but getting a chance to talk with people I never really had a chance to talk to before. Todd’s definitely one of them. His wealth of knowledge is extraordinary. The stuff that he has worked on. Star Trek: First Contact, this guy’s been around all kinds of zombie projects, and everything that you can possibly imagine. The stuff that he can do with makeup is outrageous. We’re gonna talk about that, so I invite you to ask questions as well. I think that’s everything that I have for you guys here. I wanna give a huge shoutout and thanks to Tracy and the team: Keith, Jeremy, Rhys, Antony, Sommer, Jennifer Kirby, ‘GateGabber’ Linda Furey, you guys make the show possible. Happy birthday again, Antony. I appreciate you doing the show on your birthday. That’s all I’ve got. I appreciate you tuning in, and we’ll be seeing you on the other side next week. I’m David Read for Dial the Gate.